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Now we have to figure a way to check your memory to make certain it's accurate too. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sydney Cohen <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MAGIC VAC <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ralph.Maria <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Finch ; Ercoupe Hangar Flying <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- Yup, I've checked it with a stopwatch. Right on the nose! Syd MAGIC VAC wrote: I think I'd check my rate of climb indicator. I have seen 2000 fpm more than once. Fly that puppy up to 10,000 ft agl, cut power and see how long it takes you to touch down. I guarantee it won't take 20 minutes to hit the ground. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sydney <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cohen To: MAGIC VAC <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ralph.Maria Finch <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; Ercoupe Hangar <mailto:[email protected]> Flying Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds I have never seen 2000 fpm on my VSI, up or down. Power off, very slow airspeed (45 mph) my plane sinks at about 500 feet per minute. Syd Cohen MAGIC VAC wrote: ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- I guess I don't understand this. Slightly bigger sink rate. I think a Coupe was much the same as my Colt. Power off, it wouldn't stall, as the Coupe won't stall. Pull the yoke back, and it finally settles into a normal flying attitude. Look at the rate of clime indicator, and you're going down faster than you're going forward. About 2,000 fpm down. Wouldn't be a pretty picture when you touched down. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MAGIC VAC" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- larry. When flying low speeds in a Coupe I noticed the diffrence load does to the flying characteristics. At full gross 1400 # , we have been probably heavier, the plane would stall at 56 miles like adverstised - power off. When flying alone I can get down to 45 and have no bigger punishment than a slightly bigger sink rate ( power off) . I would not recomment flying 45 on final though. Hartmut MAGIC VAC wrote: I guess my Coupe was abnormal. It actually flew like the book says it should. 58 mph was fall out of the sky speed-throttle off. I hear some of these 45-48 mph still flying speeds and wonder what you've done to make the plane outperform the published specifications. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MAGIC VAC" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- Larry. Check your airspeed meter. I can fly my Coupe at 45 MPH with tanks half empty and just me in it (190 ##) - no stall , full throttle though. To repeat the story of our second Coupe: That one had an airspeed meter showing bullshit , someone put a worthless piece of ยง$%t into his plane just to save some money. arghh. landing that plane at speeds around 65 was only possible with full power on final. After replacing the airspeed meter normal readings appeared and normal behavior of the Coupe too. I tried several times to land the plane at 60 - 70 like the book wants it - all that ended just in a very fast decent and a hard bounce. No good. God knows what speed I was really flying. I had to hold 80 on final. to fly a normal approach. Of course these 80 MPH were just a fiction - something what the airspeed meter was making up. I think it is a very good idea to have the airspeed meter checked from time to time especially since the coupe starts sinking when reaching lower speeds . By the way . I believe this tendency to sink is just the trade off needed by design to keep the coupe in a controllable flying condition at low speeds. The Cessnas might be better sail planes but they probably stall then more abrupt, while Weick's planes are just gently lowering the noses and just lose altitude. If you know what to expect - I think Weick's planes are easier to deal with. So you might come down fast and land hard instead of stalling the plane on final - make your own judgment. (oh yes, I know Cessnas have flaps and ercoupes don't , I see it more like this: Cessnas need flaps and Ercoupes don't) Hartmut MAGIC VAC wrote: ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- If I had tried to fly around at 50 ias, I'd be on the ground. I get so tired of you guys telling me that you fly at 50, cause for me to do that I'd have had to be at full throttle just to keep from falling out of the sky. It certainly wouldn't have been fun. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- I'm with Hartmut. I can fly around at below 50mph IAS all day and not lose altitude with the correct throttle setting. Of course that wouldn't be considered a normal cruise, but it's certainly possible. The original poster seemed to want to fly in cruise with his buddies with their slower airplanes. This is easily done (70-80 mph) with no harm to anything except your sanity, you will be bored silly at those speeds. The Coupes make much better use of their ponies than most aircraft. As for "falling out of the sky" at lower airspeeds, why propagate that myth?? The Coupes sink more than the notorious Cessna floaters that we are all trained on, but that simply means it takes a couple of flights to learn new habits. I quickly came to appreciate the Coupes' characteristics and now dislike the Cessnas' tendency to resist landing. My landings are consistently much better with the Coupes. ---------------------------- From: Hartmut <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds That does not make sense. When flying slow , the engine does not generate much heat, the cowl flaps on a Coupe are wide open all the time and I doubt a extreme nose high attitude is given at speeds at around 85 MPH.... I find my Coupe extreme nose high with 45 MPH, but would not consider this a practical low speed flying technique. All other Speeds should allow for sufficient cooling in regard to the power setting. Hartmut __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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