In a message dated: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:21:40 EST
Chester Martel said:

>It is true that once the seed is planted, the employee might leave.  But
>unless that employee lives in a cave, it doesn't take much to realize
>that there is a demand.  The issue is do they really want to move.

I think this is a very important factor.  Neither Derek nor I *want* to leave 
this place.  For the most part, up until very recently, we've had it very good 
here.  I've personally built this place from the ground up over the last 2 1/2 
years and I'm very proud of what I've accomplished.  With Derek we've made 
amazing progress in just the 7 or 8 months since he came on board.  Together 
we've moved to a new building and once again created a whole new environment 
from scratch.  This is our creation and we don't want to leave it.  
Unfortunately, management is clueless, and now telling us how to do our jobs.  
Since they know *so* much more than we do about doing our jobs, we've decided 
they can do it themselves, since they really don't need our help :)
(note that "management" is new, and not located in this part of the country.  
The management we *used* to have respected our abilities to get the job done 
and to do it well!  We would love to have them back!)


>If they are young and smart and energetic, they should be able to demand a
>good salary.

I absolutely agree with this, but by the same token, I don't really trust 
someone who starts job-hopping in order to increase their salary.  As an 
employer, I want some idea that this person will stick around a while.

> It used to be the only way to get a higher salary due to
>'maximum percentile' allowed per year.  Yeah right for the rank and
>file.  It doesn't apply to top echelon.

Yeah, but IMO, as long as your base salary is fair, and you're getting a 
decent annual increase, that's okay.  It's when one of those 2 criteria isn't 
being met that you have a problem.

>If a company is insecure about holding their staff then they have to make
>sure they are happy, both salary wise and environment wise.

I have yet to see a (big) company who's aware that they're staff isn't happy,
or if they do, to care about it.  Raytheon and DEC sure don't seem like 
they've paid much attention to those who worked for them. I know from 
experience that 3Com and now my current employer are clueless.  Maybe I just 
have bad luck, but seeing the morale around this place, I don't think so.  
I've never seen so many people become so unhappy so fast.  It's amazing what 
the "Big Company" attitude and a few PHBs can do to kill morale in a place.


-- 

Seeya,
Paul
----
    Doing something stupid always costs less (up front) than doing
                        something intelligent.
                  Bean counters are *always* wrong!
  A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking.
         If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!



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