On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, jim t.p. ryan wrote:
(jim responding to my e-mail)
> �� Thank you, very informative.
> >
> > But don't you think it only right that these people get paid for the work? I mean
>the ISP using APACHE is making money from it because it is the backbone of the
>business. Satisfaction at seeing your creation used is nice, but it doesn't put bread
>on the table.
> >
>
> They do get paid for their work.
> �� What did they get paid?
Depending on who they were working for. Read Paul's response. Again,
most are not in the "Software" business, they're in the business of
providing solutions to their employer. On staff. Drawing a salary.
>
>
> Oh, you mean the ability to do
> something once and get huge wads of money forever because someone else
> is using the idea to solve THEIR problem?
>
> I don��t understand what you mean by this. Is this like millions of people sending
>in $19.95 a month to somebody running Apache which they got for free to solve THEIR
>money problem?
>
No, they send $19.95 a month to provide a connection to the internet,
24 x 7, with e-mail, web hosting, news, etc. Oh by the way, they use
apache to do it. Those ISP's don't just throw apache on a box & sit
around while the money rolls in.
>
> Well, I know Andrew
> Trigdell of SAMBA has set it up so you can e-mail pizzas to him (only
> buy from local, no matter transport yet, ;-(), there's nothing
> preventing you from sending money to any of these folks.
>
> That��s real noble of them, but lets face it, this is America, they are simply
>providing free work so somebody else can make money. What percentage of the $29 or
>whatever you pay for RedHat is sent to Andy? Do the people at Mandrake even invite
>him over for pizza? When RedHat, which is public, and has fiduciary obligation to
>it��s shareholders, hopefully starts making lots of money, will they share the wealth
>with all these fine people or will they just start being known as R$? I hate being
>such a cynic but I remember a lot of this same talk in 1967 about free stuff and they
>all grew up and bought BMW��s.
>
Hm. I pay Red Hat for bundling the SW together, ensuring it works,
providing 30 days support, providing a manual, etc. Oh by the way,
the SW they're putting together is Open Source. And, by the way, RH
did provide the opportunity for a bunch of the Open Source community
to get in on their IPO (don't know names, other than Alan Cox, but I
would be surprised if any of the major guys didn't get the
opportunity). Again, think Free Speech, not Free Beer.
> Again, most of them do it because it scratches an itch they have, not with the
> goal of making gobs of money forever. I also notice that Linux, Alan
> Cox, Andrew Trigdell, Jeremy Allison, maddog, etc, are not exactly
> hurting in the money department.
>
> Right, so at what point do we start hating them for it? There is this pervasive
>thread here, indicated by the M$ thing that it is wrong to make as much money as you
>can from something. I say more power to ��em. Get whatever the market will bear.
>There are a lot of VERY rich people at Microsoft, not just Mr. Gates. If he and the
>exec��s weren��t sharing the opportunity with the employees that would be one thing,
>but from what I understand they all get some piece of the pie. I don��t know about
>you, but if I could make a widget for a nickel and sell it for $10 to a lot of
>people, I��d do it.
>
Actaully, I don't hate MS because they've made people rich, I hate
them for their cruddy software & the way they've made people rich:
power above all, ethics be damned. And again, you're not paying for
the software, you're paying for the ancillary things like support. If
it's just repackaging, go to LinuxMall or Cheapbytes, pick them up for
$1.99 / CD.
>
> > Maybe I'm just too much of a capitalist, but I see so many people get paid for
>doing nothing, it's a shame to not see somebody compensated for good work.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jim Ryan
> >
>
> As a capitalist myself, I have problems with people getting tons of money for
>nothing.
>
> I don��t,just won't give them mine, but that aside, what nothing? They produce a
>lot of products, good or bad, they employ a lot of people, and they indirectly create
>business for a ton of others. From what I hear, the lights at Microsoft are not out
>too often. I think if you mad the statement to the programmers there that they do
>nothing they would be a little miffed. Their effort is not as good as Andy because
>they make money instead of Pizza?
Read below. Also note the difference between input & output. I don't
care how many hours they put in. Hours in <> Product out. Again, 80%
of the software writers DON'T work in the SW industry. They're
getting paid for their work. On salary. And making their companies
profitable. Along the way, they decide the easiest way to keep their
job easy is to share the work with lots of others at other companies
with similar problems. Everyone wins - the employee, the company, the
consumer.
>
> > Read the constitution, there is no guarantee of
> > money forever (originally, patents & copywrite were only good for 14
> > years) Limited monopoly, in exchange for putting it in the public
> > domain. In fact, according to the constitution, the ONLY reason for
> > patent & copywrite is to "advance the progress in the useful arts &
> > sciences," NOT to provide a living to anyone. If you want to continue
> > to excel, continue to work.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Jim Ryan
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