Re: [GRN] Again with a caste query in Portuguese

'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net Mon, 03 Feb 2025 03:06:55 -0800

 Dear Sandra,
This is also the interpretation I think it is. I have examined many similar 
documents trying to crack the phrase, and this sem nota is used to form a 
double negative. In most cases the phrase used is "antecedents a good 
generation." Also at the bottom of this document are the signatures of four 
people to attest to the antecedents of this man, and the parish priest is the 
same one who has signed off on all the family baptism certificates so he would 
be well aware of his caste. 
I have seen 19th century documents where the word casta was also used to simply 
denote from a certain place, as we would use nationality. So yes, care must be 
taken when interpreting the word caste.
Warm wishes,Selma
    On Monday 3 February 2025 at 07:13:41 GMT, sandra lobo 
<[email protected]> wrote:  
 
 I think that "sem sem nota alguma na sua casta" reinforces the idea that he is 
pure blood. That is, that there isn't any information that may create a doubt 
about the purity of his lineage. I'm not familiar with these enquiries in the 
19th century, but would say that the enquiry on blood views asserting without 
doubt the person's caste. Caste in Portuguese language is/was used refering to 
very different situations, not only caste as we think regarding castes in India 
(for instance referring to types of grapes or types of people), but has always 
the connection of breed, type, class.

Sandra Ataíde Lobo

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De: 'Victor Rangel-ribeiro' via Goa-Research-Net
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Enviado: 3 de fevereiro de 2025 02:55
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Assunto: Re: [GRN] Again with a caste query in Portuguese I agree with
Cristiana's interretation.Victor
On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 08:34:26 AM EST, cristiana bastos
<[email protected]> wrote:

HI Selma -- "sem nota alguma na sua casta" seems to me "no reference to his
caste" (literally: "no any note on his caste") but there may be more subtle
interpretationsbest
c
Cristiana BastosInstitute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal
Bettencourt, 9 | 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal https://cristianabastos.org/

On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:05 PM 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net
<[email protected]> wrote:

Dear members,
Those who know Portuguese I really need your imput on this. Here is a sentence
which doesn't make sense straight away to me or to the one or two people I've
enquired with.
It starts with puro sangue...about 3 lines down. I'm attaching the sentence
here for you. I don't want to make a mistake in interpreting it and I would
really, really appreciate your help, so that I can arrive at a consensus.
Many thanks,selma

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