This clarifies things, John. And seems to be a fair and accurate historical assessment. Tino
On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 11:25 PM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> wrote: > I was not referring to FN’s comment, I was referring to the announcement > of the lecture “The Jews of Goa under the Portuguese” by Professor Shalya > Weil. It says that “many Jews” were tried but Alan’s research shows that > only 15 were tried. The focus of the Inquisitors was on Christians, not on > Jews or on Hindus. > Death by fire was not unusual those days. Before the establishment of the > Inquisition in Goa, several homosexuals were killed by fire, and both Goan > Christians and Hindus approved their killings. There was also the practice > of “sati” (“suttee”). Thus being said, to disinter the remains of a person > and burn them and to burn women who were old and poor are horrific displays > of religious intolerance and most certainly contrary to the teachings of > Jesus of Nazareth under whose name those practices were conducted.. Pyrard > de Laval was probably right when he stated that the practices of the > Inquisition were excessive even for the standards of the time. What Alan’s > research shows is that those practices in Goa were milder than in Portugal. > John M. de Figueiredo > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 6, 2025, at 8:35 AM, Tino de Sa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > But John, that is exactly what FN said. The 'Jews' who were targeted by > the Inquisition were not because they were ethnic Jews, or Jews who > professed and practised the Jewish faith (these were discriminated against, > but not subject to the Inquisition), but Jews who had converted to > Christianity, but were suspected of - as Christians - practising rituals of > their former religion in secret. > Tino de Sa > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 4:39 AM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This description of the activities of the Inquisition in Goa is >> misleading. Alan Machado (Prabhu) demonstrated on the basis of original >> documents that the primary targets of the Inquisition of Goa were not Jews, >> Hindus, and other Non-Christians unless they interfered with the workings >> of the Inquisition. The primary targets were Christians. As I noted in my >> articles on the practice of Ayurvedic Medicine in Goa, when Gabriel Dellon >> was in jail and pretended to be sick, the Inquisitors brought a Hindu >> physician to treat him. Machado (Prabhu) also demonstrated that the >> Inquisition in Goa was relatively mild compared to the ones in Portugal. >> The clear proof of this is the independent testimony of foreign travelers >> in the 16th and 17th centuries that there were several synagogues in Goa >> and Jews and Hindus were practicing their religion freely in Goa. There was >> even a Rua dos Judeus (Road of the Jews) in Old Goa (Velha Goa) which >> suggests that Jews were settled in Goa. Yet, as Machado (Prabhu) noted, the >> same fictions about the Inquisition of Goa get repeated over and over. >> John M. de Figueiredo >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 5, 2025, at 9:29 AM, Tino de Sa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> What a terrible pity that the lecture is not available on youtube! Or is >> it? >> Tino de Sa >> >> On Sat, Jul 5, 2025 at 5:27 PM William Robert Da Silva < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Your explanation is too meagre in historical explanation. The Jews and >>> early Christians were in West-Coast India very early for trade, continuing >>> before and after the fall of Rome. Cosmas Indicopleustes etc. are examples >>> of this and we need to explore more in these areas. What is done is Goa, >>> Portugal is too meagre to bring out history. >>> William Robert Da Silva >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 12:07 AM fredericknoronha < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Shalva Weil >>>> *The Jews of Goa under the Portuguese* >>>> Thursday 3.07.2025 >>>> How to watch >>>> This lecture starts on 3 July at 5:00pm (UK). >>>> <https://www.lockdownuniversity.org/email_verifications/new> >>>> <https://www.lockdownuniversity.org/about/subscribe> >>>> Summary >>>> >>>> *Please note this session will only be available to watch live.* >>>> >>>> There may have been early settlement of Jews in Goa, but there >>>> certainly was a Jewish colony there under the Portuguese. However, the >>>> Portuguese set up an Inquisition in Goa and tried many Jews and conversos >>>> or New Christians. They kept alive Garcia de Orta (1501-68), the physician >>>> of the king and a famous botanist, but burned his sister on the stake. 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