The concept of 'orphan' did exist then in early 1500's. Young orphan women from Portugal were sent to Goa to marry single Portuguese men who were stationed in Goa. They were cared initially by the Casa da Misericordia mainly and their upkeeping directly paid by the king himself. They were given a dowry upon marriage, also borne by the king. Unfortunately, many of these single Portuguese guys residing in Goa, many of them uneducated and ex-criminals looking for a better life, preferred to live with concubines... than the be 'grounded' by a wife at home. The 'casados' were better educated and had benefitted by the orphan arrangement from Portugal, to try increase the white Portuguese lineage in Goa, as general women were not allowed to travel on ships to Goa till a certain date. Most of the soldiers who fought in wars were single and left no orphans behind, apart from the few 'mestico' children they might had fathered with a concubine living in his house. But they always had their mother on their side, so technically not left as orphans when the father died in battle. Many white Portuguese soldiers who died in Indian lands had wife and kids living in Portugal, but they were not allowed to bring them in to Goa either. ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of William Robert Da Silva <[email protected]> Sent: 08 July 2025 05:32 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GRN] THU: July 3, 2025: Shalva Weil. The Jews of Goa under the Portuguese
Orphans could have been made by the Portuguese in war, struggles etc. However, there was no concept of orphan except within caste groups as parentless children. Sick between castes was a discrination along the purity line from higher to lower and lepers were shunned by all families on roads. There is more to this from my studies from Goa archves and field between 1988-1995. W R Da Silva On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 12:07 AM Sonia Gomes <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thank you very much Dr. Pacheco de Figueiredo. Regards Sonia do Rosario Gomes On Mon, 7 Jul, 2025, 3:31 pm John de Figueiredo, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dear Sonia, I defer this to Alan Machado (Prabhu) who is an expert on this subject. Best regards, John Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2025, at 5:46 AM, Sonia Gomes <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I am reading Pe. Gabriel Saldanha and a great many times, he mentions about fields as well as coconut groves removed from the possession of Hindus and donated to convents and churches for their upkeep. Also Dr. Leopoldo da Rocha mentions in a monograph of various strictures passed against various festivities and the personal lives of the Hindus. Even clothes. Now considering the disruption of lives, the loss of property, bought by so many Catholics at throw away prices, would this be a part of the Inquisition? And the kidnapping of orfãos from the Hindu families to be handed over to the Pai dos Cristãos for conversion to Catholics even if there were Hindu families willing to bring them up as Hindus. Which part of Inquisition is this? Or does the Inquisition only deal with torture and Autos de fé? Dr. Pacheco de Figueiredo would like your opinion. Thank you and much appreciated. Sonia do Rosario Gomes On Mon, 7 Jul, 2025, 12:52 am Tino de Sa, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: This clarifies things, John. And seems to be a fair and accurate historical assessment. Tino On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 11:25 PM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I was not referring to FN’s comment, I was referring to the announcement of the lecture “The Jews of Goa under the Portuguese” by Professor Shalya Weil. It says that “many Jews” were tried but Alan’s research shows that only 15 were tried. The focus of the Inquisitors was on Christians, not on Jews or on Hindus. Death by fire was not unusual those days. Before the establishment of the Inquisition in Goa, several homosexuals were killed by fire, and both Goan Christians and Hindus approved their killings. There was also the practice of “sati” (“suttee”). Thus being said, to disinter the remains of a person and burn them and to burn women who were old and poor are horrific displays of religious intolerance and most certainly contrary to the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth under whose name those practices were conducted.. Pyrard de Laval was probably right when he stated that the practices of the Inquisition were excessive even for the standards of the time. What Alan’s research shows is that those practices in Goa were milder than in Portugal. John M. de Figueiredo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2025, at 8:35 AM, Tino de Sa <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: But John, that is exactly what FN said. The 'Jews' who were targeted by the Inquisition were not because they were ethnic Jews, or Jews who professed and practised the Jewish faith (these were discriminated against, but not subject to the Inquisition), but Jews who had converted to Christianity, but were suspected of - as Christians - practising rituals of their former religion in secret. Tino de Sa On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 4:39 AM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: This description of the activities of the Inquisition in Goa is misleading. Alan Machado (Prabhu) demonstrated on the basis of original documents that the primary targets of the Inquisition of Goa were not Jews, Hindus, and other Non-Christians unless they interfered with the workings of the Inquisition. The primary targets were Christians. As I noted in my articles on the practice of Ayurvedic Medicine in Goa, when Gabriel Dellon was in jail and pretended to be sick, the Inquisitors brought a Hindu physician to treat him. Machado (Prabhu) also demonstrated that the Inquisition in Goa was relatively mild compared to the ones in Portugal. The clear proof of this is the independent testimony of foreign travelers in the 16th and 17th centuries that there were several synagogues in Goa and Jews and Hindus were practicing their religion freely in Goa. There was even a Rua dos Judeus (Road of the Jews) in Old Goa (Velha Goa) which suggests that Jews were settled in Goa. Yet, as Machado (Prabhu) noted, the same fictions about the Inquisition of Goa get repeated over and over. John M. de Figueiredo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2025, at 9:29 AM, Tino de Sa <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: What a terrible pity that the lecture is not available on youtube! Or is it? Tino de Sa On Sat, Jul 5, 2025 at 5:27 PM William Robert Da Silva <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Your explanation is too meagre in historical explanation. The Jews and early Christians were in West-Coast India very early for trade, continuing before and after the fall of Rome. Cosmas Indicopleustes etc. are examples of this and we need to explore more in these areas. What is done is Goa, Portugal is too meagre to bring out history. William Robert Da Silva On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 12:07 AM fredericknoronha <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Shalva Weil The Jews of Goa under the Portuguese Thursday 3.07.2025 How to watch This lecture starts on 3 July at 5:00pm (UK). <https://www.lockdownuniversity.org/email_verifications/new> <https://www.lockdownuniversity.org/about/subscribe> Summary Please note this session will only be available to watch live. There may have been early settlement of Jews in Goa, but there certainly was a Jewish colony there under the Portuguese. However, the Portuguese set up an Inquisition in Goa and tried many Jews and conversos or New Christians. 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