Hi Ray, We are keenly interested in this. How does one get hold of your hacky Elemental2 prototype in order to play with?
Thanks On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:36 PM, 'Ray Cromwell' via GWT Contributors < [email protected]> wrote: > Another thing to consider is that J2CL was developed as a 'bake off', in > which multiple prototypes and designs were discussed/looked at (compile > from Java with JDT, compile from bytecode, compile using Javac APIs, > writing parser by hand, etc) It would have been a bit premature to release > any of them as they were all known ahead of time to be throwaways. > > I have a hacky Elemental2 prototype (which is not the official one that > Julien is working on), if you want to take it and play around. > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> No worries :) >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Stephen Haberman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Goktug, >>> >>> That's all true, thanks for providing a counter data point. You're >>> right, the JsInterop design docs/etc. were all out in the open from day 1, >>> which I thought was pretty exiting. >>> >>> I definitely can't take any credit for providing useful feedback, but I >>> enjoyed seeing the thoughts and process from the community. >>> >>> So, apologies for the sweeping statement. >>> >>> - Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Singular is not a Google project and not being developed internally. It >>>> is Daniel's personal project and as fas as I know it is already in the open >>>> source. >>>> >>>> We don't have anything to share for Elemental yet. We are talking with >>>> other teams, thinking about alternatives etc. Also when we release, it will >>>> not be part of GWT-SDK so there is going be extra work to move the >>>> development outside; which doesn't make sense at this stage. >>>> >>>> The big things we recently developed for GWT, JsInterop and >>>> SuperDevMode and they were all open source from day one. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Stephen Haberman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>> >>>>> I'll take the opportunity to hop on a soapbox, but the "closed >>>>> source/eventually open source" model is a curious trend that I think I've >>>>> only seen in the GWT community (are their other examples?)... >>>>> >>>>> Musing, it probably stems from Google setting the example with GWT >>>>> itself, where historically a lot happened internally before being mirrored >>>>> externally, but it happens a bit for non-Google-GWT projects as well, like >>>>> the repackaging of GPE, which was closed during initial development >>>>> (although the result is great, and I really appreciate it), Singular, >>>>> which >>>>> is still closed during initial development, now Elemental2. I dunno, >>>>> I find it curious. >>>>> >>>>> E.g. with Singular, it's like it's being developed like the next Apple >>>>> phone; we have to be secret about it, not say anything, so we can have an >>>>> awesome keynote where we surprise the world with how awesome it is. >>>>> >>>>> Granted, I'm sure those keynotes are very fun, but I guess I don't >>>>> understand, wtf, why not just open source things from day 1? IMO the best >>>>> case scenario, and most likely, is that you're going to attract early >>>>> adopters who will a) give you feedback to validate approaches/etc and b) >>>>> give you free work by tracking down bugs and committing patches. >>>>> >>>>> Keeping things closed source "until they're ready", IMO, stifles the >>>>> potential contributor/committer pool that's needed for the long term >>>>> health >>>>> of an open source project. >>>>> >>>>> I suppose the risk is people writing a 100k LOC production app on a >>>>> pre-1.0 project, and then they bitch about changes...but hopefully lots of >>>>> disclaimers and 0.x release points would help mitigate that... >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, that is my soapbox. Or one of them, I guess. :-P Of course, >>>>> we're all getting this work for free, so everyone is free to do what they >>>>> please, and I will be very excited and thankful for both >>>>> Elemental2/Singular when they are available to us. >>>>> >>>>> So please don't read this as "bah, that is dumb", but just as "gentle >>>>> nudge towards open sourcing sooner, if that's okay, thanks!". :-) >>>>> >>>>> - Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Rene Hangstrup Møller < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the update. >>>>>> Looking forward to seeing what you have been cooking up. >>>>>> Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>>> >>>>>> /Rene >>>>>> >>>>>> Den fredag den 20. november 2015 kl. 11.05.44 UTC+1 skrev Julien >>>>>> Dramaix: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a bit too early to answer to this question with absolute >>>>>>> certainty but I don't think I can guarantee the full backward >>>>>>> compatibility >>>>>>> with the first 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