Elemental2 will be just an auto-generated thin wrapper around the browser APIs. Unlike Elemental1, it will not provide a cross platform JSON implementation.
I don't think you need to report compatibility bugs for Elemental1 unless a maintainer steps up and shows interest. On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Erik Kuefler <[email protected]> wrote: > What's the current thinking regarding JSON in Elemental 2? That part has > always been a bit different from the DOM libraries, and I know there was > talk a long time back about splitting it out. I've been using Elemental > JSON extensively in my projects just to have a JSON library that works in > GWT and in JVM, but I've found it to be extremely buggy (mostly in terms of > behavior differences between jvm, optimized gwt, and draft mode gwt). Are > these bugs worth reporting? Is it all being reworked for Elemental 2? > > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 12:36:22 PM UTC-8, Ray Cromwell wrote: >> >> Another thing to consider is that J2CL was developed as a 'bake off', in >> which multiple prototypes and designs were discussed/looked at (compile >> from Java with JDT, compile from bytecode, compile using Javac APIs, >> writing parser by hand, etc) It would have been a bit premature to release >> any of them as they were all known ahead of time to be throwaways. >> >> I have a hacky Elemental2 prototype (which is not the official one that >> Julien is working on), if you want to take it and play around. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No worries :) >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Stephen Haberman < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Goktug, >>>> >>>> That's all true, thanks for providing a counter data point. You're >>>> right, the JsInterop design docs/etc. were all out in the open from day 1, >>>> which I thought was pretty exiting. >>>> >>>> I definitely can't take any credit for providing useful feedback, but I >>>> enjoyed seeing the thoughts and process from the community. >>>> >>>> So, apologies for the sweeping statement. >>>> >>>> - Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT >>>> Contributors <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Singular is not a Google project and not being developed internally. >>>>> It is Daniel's personal project and as fas as I know it is already in the >>>>> open source. >>>>> >>>>> We don't have anything to share for Elemental yet. We are talking with >>>>> other teams, thinking about alternatives etc. Also when we release, it >>>>> will >>>>> not be part of GWT-SDK so there is going be extra work to move the >>>>> development outside; which doesn't make sense at this stage. >>>>> >>>>> The big things we recently developed for GWT, JsInterop and >>>>> SuperDevMode and they were all open source from day one. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Stephen Haberman < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll take the opportunity to hop on a soapbox, but the "closed >>>>>> source/eventually open source" model is a curious trend that I think I've >>>>>> only seen in the GWT community (are their other examples?)... >>>>>> >>>>>> Musing, it probably stems from Google setting the example with GWT >>>>>> itself, where historically a lot happened internally before being >>>>>> mirrored >>>>>> externally, but it happens a bit for non-Google-GWT projects as well, >>>>>> like >>>>>> the repackaging of GPE, which was closed during initial development >>>>>> (although the result is great, and I really appreciate it), Singular, >>>>>> which >>>>>> is still closed during initial development, now Elemental2. I dunno, >>>>>> I find it curious. >>>>>> >>>>>> E.g. with Singular, it's like it's being developed like the next >>>>>> Apple phone; we have to be secret about it, not say anything, so we can >>>>>> have an awesome keynote where we surprise the world with how awesome it >>>>>> is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Granted, I'm sure those keynotes are very fun, but I guess I don't >>>>>> understand, wtf, why not just open source things from day 1? IMO the best >>>>>> case scenario, and most likely, is that you're going to attract early >>>>>> adopters who will a) give you feedback to validate approaches/etc and b) >>>>>> give you free work by tracking down bugs and committing patches. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keeping things closed source "until they're ready", IMO, stifles the >>>>>> potential contributor/committer pool that's needed for the long term >>>>>> health >>>>>> of an open source project. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose the risk is people writing a 100k LOC production app on a >>>>>> pre-1.0 project, and then they bitch about changes...but hopefully lots >>>>>> of >>>>>> disclaimers and 0.x release points would help mitigate that... >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, that is my soapbox. Or one of them, I guess. :-P Of course, >>>>>> we're all getting this work for free, so everyone is free to do what they >>>>>> please, and I will be very excited and thankful for both >>>>>> Elemental2/Singular when they are available to us. >>>>>> >>>>>> So please don't read this as "bah, that is dumb", but just as "gentle >>>>>> nudge towards open sourcing sooner, if that's okay, thanks!". :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> - Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Rene Hangstrup Møller < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the update. >>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing what you have been cooking up. >>>>>>> Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Rene >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Den fredag den 20. november 2015 kl. 11.05.44 UTC+1 skrev Julien >>>>>>> Dramaix: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's a bit too early to answer to this question with absolute >>>>>>>> certainty but I don't think I can guarantee the full backward >>>>>>>> compatibility 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