Another thing to consider is that J2CL was developed as a 'bake off', in which multiple prototypes and designs were discussed/looked at (compile from Java with JDT, compile from bytecode, compile using Javac APIs, writing parser by hand, etc) It would have been a bit premature to release any of them as they were all known ahead of time to be throwaways.
I have a hacky Elemental2 prototype (which is not the official one that Julien is working on), if you want to take it and play around. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors < [email protected]> wrote: > No worries :) > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Stephen Haberman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Goktug, >> >> That's all true, thanks for providing a counter data point. You're right, >> the JsInterop design docs/etc. were all out in the open from day 1, which I >> thought was pretty exiting. >> >> I definitely can't take any credit for providing useful feedback, but I >> enjoyed seeing the thoughts and process from the community. >> >> So, apologies for the sweeping statement. >> >> - Stephen >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Singular is not a Google project and not being developed internally. It >>> is Daniel's personal project and as fas as I know it is already in the open >>> source. >>> >>> We don't have anything to share for Elemental yet. We are talking with >>> other teams, thinking about alternatives etc. Also when we release, it will >>> not be part of GWT-SDK so there is going be extra work to move the >>> development outside; which doesn't make sense at this stage. >>> >>> The big things we recently developed for GWT, JsInterop and SuperDevMode >>> and they were all open source from day one. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Stephen Haberman < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> > Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>> >>>> I'll take the opportunity to hop on a soapbox, but the "closed >>>> source/eventually open source" model is a curious trend that I think I've >>>> only seen in the GWT community (are their other examples?)... >>>> >>>> Musing, it probably stems from Google setting the example with GWT >>>> itself, where historically a lot happened internally before being mirrored >>>> externally, but it happens a bit for non-Google-GWT projects as well, like >>>> the repackaging of GPE, which was closed during initial development >>>> (although the result is great, and I really appreciate it), Singular, which >>>> is still closed during initial development, now Elemental2. I dunno, I >>>> find it curious. >>>> >>>> E.g. with Singular, it's like it's being developed like the next Apple >>>> phone; we have to be secret about it, not say anything, so we can have an >>>> awesome keynote where we surprise the world with how awesome it is. >>>> >>>> Granted, I'm sure those keynotes are very fun, but I guess I don't >>>> understand, wtf, why not just open source things from day 1? IMO the best >>>> case scenario, and most likely, is that you're going to attract early >>>> adopters who will a) give you feedback to validate approaches/etc and b) >>>> give you free work by tracking down bugs and committing patches. >>>> >>>> Keeping things closed source "until they're ready", IMO, stifles the >>>> potential contributor/committer pool that's needed for the long term health >>>> of an open source project. >>>> >>>> I suppose the risk is people writing a 100k LOC production app on a >>>> pre-1.0 project, and then they bitch about changes...but hopefully lots of >>>> disclaimers and 0.x release points would help mitigate that... >>>> >>>> Anyway, that is my soapbox. Or one of them, I guess. :-P Of course, >>>> we're all getting this work for free, so everyone is free to do what they >>>> please, and I will be very excited and thankful for both >>>> Elemental2/Singular when they are available to us. >>>> >>>> So please don't read this as "bah, that is dumb", but just as "gentle >>>> nudge towards open sourcing sooner, if that's okay, thanks!". :-) >>>> >>>> - Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Rene Hangstrup Møller < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the update. >>>>> Looking forward to seeing what you have been cooking up. >>>>> Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>> >>>>> /Rene >>>>> >>>>> Den fredag den 20. november 2015 kl. 11.05.44 UTC+1 skrev Julien >>>>> Dramaix: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a bit too early to answer to this question with absolute >>>>>> certainty but I don't think I can guarantee the full backward >>>>>> compatibility >>>>>> with the first version of elemental. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] >>> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GWT Contributors" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuUX7U%2BqupJLYd8CQqgfnsr8_im_6JhPqYJhkpnqUHWiGQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuUX7U%2BqupJLYd8CQqgfnsr8_im_6JhPqYJhkpnqUHWiGQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GWT Contributors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3KUe8O595sU-gDEprKauJh4CWrgEiFeRVvwbkGMS5WFQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3KUe8O595sU-gDEprKauJh4CWrgEiFeRVvwbkGMS5WFQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Contributors" group. 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