What's the current thinking regarding JSON in Elemental 2? That part has always been a bit different from the DOM libraries, and I know there was talk a long time back about splitting it out. I've been using Elemental JSON extensively in my projects just to have a JSON library that works in GWT and in JVM, but I've found it to be extremely buggy (mostly in terms of behavior differences between jvm, optimized gwt, and draft mode gwt). Are these bugs worth reporting? Is it all being reworked for Elemental 2?
On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 12:36:22 PM UTC-8, Ray Cromwell wrote: > > Another thing to consider is that J2CL was developed as a 'bake off', in > which multiple prototypes and designs were discussed/looked at (compile > from Java with JDT, compile from bytecode, compile using Javac APIs, > writing parser by hand, etc) It would have been a bit premature to release > any of them as they were all known ahead of time to be throwaways. > > I have a hacky Elemental2 prototype (which is not the official one that > Julien is working on), if you want to take it and play around. > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors < > google-web-toolkit-contributors@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> No worries :) >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Stephen Haberman <stephen....@gmail.com >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Goktug, >>> >>> That's all true, thanks for providing a counter data point. You're >>> right, the JsInterop design docs/etc. were all out in the open from day 1, >>> which I thought was pretty exiting. >>> >>> I definitely can't take any credit for providing useful feedback, but I >>> enjoyed seeing the thoughts and process from the community. >>> >>> So, apologies for the sweeping statement. >>> >>> - Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors >>> <google-web-toolkit-contributors@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> Singular is not a Google project and not being developed internally. It >>>> is Daniel's personal project and as fas as I know it is already in the >>>> open >>>> source. >>>> >>>> We don't have anything to share for Elemental yet. We are talking with >>>> other teams, thinking about alternatives etc. Also when we release, it >>>> will >>>> not be part of GWT-SDK so there is going be extra work to move the >>>> development outside; which doesn't make sense at this stage. >>>> >>>> The big things we recently developed for GWT, JsInterop and >>>> SuperDevMode and they were all open source from day one. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Stephen Haberman < >>>> stephen....@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>> >>>>> I'll take the opportunity to hop on a soapbox, but the "closed >>>>> source/eventually open source" model is a curious trend that I think I've >>>>> only seen in the GWT community (are their other examples?)... >>>>> >>>>> Musing, it probably stems from Google setting the example with GWT >>>>> itself, where historically a lot happened internally before being >>>>> mirrored >>>>> externally, but it happens a bit for non-Google-GWT projects as well, >>>>> like >>>>> the repackaging of GPE, which was closed during initial development >>>>> (although the result is great, and I really appreciate it), Singular, >>>>> which >>>>> is still closed during initial development, now Elemental2. I dunno, >>>>> I find it curious. >>>>> >>>>> E.g. with Singular, it's like it's being developed like the next Apple >>>>> phone; we have to be secret about it, not say anything, so we can have an >>>>> awesome keynote where we surprise the world with how awesome it is. >>>>> >>>>> Granted, I'm sure those keynotes are very fun, but I guess I don't >>>>> understand, wtf, why not just open source things from day 1? IMO the best >>>>> case scenario, and most likely, is that you're going to attract early >>>>> adopters who will a) give you feedback to validate approaches/etc and b) >>>>> give you free work by tracking down bugs and committing patches. >>>>> >>>>> Keeping things closed source "until they're ready", IMO, stifles the >>>>> potential contributor/committer pool that's needed for the long term >>>>> health >>>>> of an open source project. >>>>> >>>>> I suppose the risk is people writing a 100k LOC production app on a >>>>> pre-1.0 project, and then they bitch about changes...but hopefully lots >>>>> of >>>>> disclaimers and 0.x release points would help mitigate that... >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, that is my soapbox. Or one of them, I guess. :-P Of course, >>>>> we're all getting this work for free, so everyone is free to do what they >>>>> please, and I will be very excited and thankful for both >>>>> Elemental2/Singular when they are available to us. >>>>> >>>>> So please don't read this as "bah, that is dumb", but just as "gentle >>>>> nudge towards open sourcing sooner, if that's okay, thanks!". :-) >>>>> >>>>> - Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Rene Hangstrup Møller < >>>>> rhmo...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the update. >>>>>> Looking forward to seeing what you have been cooking up. >>>>>> Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>>>> >>>>>> /Rene >>>>>> >>>>>> Den fredag den 20. november 2015 kl. 11.05.44 UTC+1 skrev Julien >>>>>> Dramaix: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a bit too early to answer to this question with absolute >>>>>>> certainty but I don't think I can guarantee the full backward >>>>>>> compatibility >>>>>>> with the first version of elemental. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to >>>>>> google-web-toolkit-contributors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <javascript:>. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to >>>>> google-web-toolkit-contributors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <javascript:>. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to >>>> google-web-toolkit-contributors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <javascript:>. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to google-web-toolkit-contributors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <javascript:>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuUX7U%2BqupJLYd8CQqgfnsr8_im_6JhPqYJhkpnqUHWiGQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuUX7U%2BqupJLYd8CQqgfnsr8_im_6JhPqYJhkpnqUHWiGQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GWT Contributors" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to google-web-toolkit-contributors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3KUe8O595sU-gDEprKauJh4CWrgEiFeRVvwbkGMS5WFQ%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3KUe8O595sU-gDEprKauJh4CWrgEiFeRVvwbkGMS5WFQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Contributors" group. 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