No worries :) On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Stephen Haberman < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Goktug, > > That's all true, thanks for providing a counter data point. You're right, > the JsInterop design docs/etc. were all out in the open from day 1, which I > thought was pretty exiting. > > I definitely can't take any credit for providing useful feedback, but I > enjoyed seeing the thoughts and process from the community. > > So, apologies for the sweeping statement. > > - Stephen > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Singular is not a Google project and not being developed internally. It >> is Daniel's personal project and as fas as I know it is already in the open >> source. >> >> We don't have anything to share for Elemental yet. We are talking with >> other teams, thinking about alternatives etc. Also when we release, it will >> not be part of GWT-SDK so there is going be extra work to move the >> development outside; which doesn't make sense at this stage. >> >> The big things we recently developed for GWT, JsInterop and SuperDevMode >> and they were all open source from day one. >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Stephen Haberman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>> >>> I'll take the opportunity to hop on a soapbox, but the "closed >>> source/eventually open source" model is a curious trend that I think I've >>> only seen in the GWT community (are their other examples?)... >>> >>> Musing, it probably stems from Google setting the example with GWT >>> itself, where historically a lot happened internally before being mirrored >>> externally, but it happens a bit for non-Google-GWT projects as well, like >>> the repackaging of GPE, which was closed during initial development >>> (although the result is great, and I really appreciate it), Singular, which >>> is still closed during initial development, now Elemental2. I dunno, I >>> find it curious. >>> >>> E.g. with Singular, it's like it's being developed like the next Apple >>> phone; we have to be secret about it, not say anything, so we can have an >>> awesome keynote where we surprise the world with how awesome it is. >>> >>> Granted, I'm sure those keynotes are very fun, but I guess I don't >>> understand, wtf, why not just open source things from day 1? IMO the best >>> case scenario, and most likely, is that you're going to attract early >>> adopters who will a) give you feedback to validate approaches/etc and b) >>> give you free work by tracking down bugs and committing patches. >>> >>> Keeping things closed source "until they're ready", IMO, stifles the >>> potential contributor/committer pool that's needed for the long term health >>> of an open source project. >>> >>> I suppose the risk is people writing a 100k LOC production app on a >>> pre-1.0 project, and then they bitch about changes...but hopefully lots of >>> disclaimers and 0.x release points would help mitigate that... >>> >>> Anyway, that is my soapbox. Or one of them, I guess. :-P Of course, >>> we're all getting this work for free, so everyone is free to do what they >>> please, and I will be very excited and thankful for both >>> Elemental2/Singular when they are available to us. >>> >>> So please don't read this as "bah, that is dumb", but just as "gentle >>> nudge towards open sourcing sooner, if that's okay, thanks!". :-) >>> >>> - Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Rene Hangstrup Møller < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the update. >>>> Looking forward to seeing what you have been cooking up. >>>> Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>>> >>>> /Rene >>>> >>>> Den fredag den 20. november 2015 kl. 11.05.44 UTC+1 skrev Julien >>>> Dramaix: >>>>> >>>>> It's a bit too early to answer to this question with absolute >>>>> certainty but I don't think I can guarantee the full backward >>>>> compatibility >>>>> with the first version of elemental. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] >>> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GWT Contributors" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GWT Contributors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuUX7U%2BqupJLYd8CQqgfnsr8_im_6JhPqYJhkpnqUHWiGQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuUX7U%2BqupJLYd8CQqgfnsr8_im_6JhPqYJhkpnqUHWiGQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Contributors" group. 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