Hi Goktug, That's all true, thanks for providing a counter data point. You're right, the JsInterop design docs/etc. were all out in the open from day 1, which I thought was pretty exiting.
I definitely can't take any credit for providing useful feedback, but I enjoyed seeing the thoughts and process from the community. So, apologies for the sweeping statement. - Stephen On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'Goktug Gokdogan' via GWT Contributors < [email protected]> wrote: > Singular is not a Google project and not being developed internally. It is > Daniel's personal project and as fas as I know it is already in the open > source. > > We don't have anything to share for Elemental yet. We are talking with > other teams, thinking about alternatives etc. Also when we release, it will > not be part of GWT-SDK so there is going be extra work to move the > development outside; which doesn't make sense at this stage. > > The big things we recently developed for GWT, JsInterop and SuperDevMode > and they were all open source from day one. > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Stephen Haberman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >> >> I'll take the opportunity to hop on a soapbox, but the "closed >> source/eventually open source" model is a curious trend that I think I've >> only seen in the GWT community (are their other examples?)... >> >> Musing, it probably stems from Google setting the example with GWT >> itself, where historically a lot happened internally before being mirrored >> externally, but it happens a bit for non-Google-GWT projects as well, like >> the repackaging of GPE, which was closed during initial development >> (although the result is great, and I really appreciate it), Singular, which >> is still closed during initial development, now Elemental2. I dunno, I >> find it curious. >> >> E.g. with Singular, it's like it's being developed like the next Apple >> phone; we have to be secret about it, not say anything, so we can have an >> awesome keynote where we surprise the world with how awesome it is. >> >> Granted, I'm sure those keynotes are very fun, but I guess I don't >> understand, wtf, why not just open source things from day 1? IMO the best >> case scenario, and most likely, is that you're going to attract early >> adopters who will a) give you feedback to validate approaches/etc and b) >> give you free work by tracking down bugs and committing patches. >> >> Keeping things closed source "until they're ready", IMO, stifles the >> potential contributor/committer pool that's needed for the long term health >> of an open source project. >> >> I suppose the risk is people writing a 100k LOC production app on a >> pre-1.0 project, and then they bitch about changes...but hopefully lots of >> disclaimers and 0.x release points would help mitigate that... >> >> Anyway, that is my soapbox. Or one of them, I guess. :-P Of course, we're >> all getting this work for free, so everyone is free to do what they please, >> and I will be very excited and thankful for both Elemental2/Singular when >> they are available to us. >> >> So please don't read this as "bah, that is dumb", but just as "gentle >> nudge towards open sourcing sooner, if that's okay, thanks!". :-) >> >> - Stephen >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Rene Hangstrup Møller < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the update. >>> Looking forward to seeing what you have been cooking up. >>> Meanwhile I will revive my own generator project. >>> >>> /Rene >>> >>> Den fredag den 20. november 2015 kl. 11.05.44 UTC+1 skrev Julien Dramaix: >>>> >>>> It's a bit too early to answer to this question with absolute certainty >>>> but I don't think I can guarantee the full backward compatibility with the >>>> first version of elemental. >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "GWT Contributors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] >>> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/98a1cb61-aafa-4c80-9c0d-f1a1d4e6bd1d%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GWT Contributors" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CANnRKuVpyh6DJouKm7se%3D%2B219%3D4imq9tPCE1-BY8GomSsc11Wg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GWT Contributors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit-contributors/CAN%3DyUA3Zo6mJf7hnMD7FVD55bAFueUpTTf0-QgyDx4wjOcTj2w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Contributors" group. 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