Arthur,
So you've assumed responsibility for being the GWT saviour by
educating these developers and saving their project? What makes you
so qualified? You've expressed your opinion (more than once) so why
not leave it at that. How would it appear if someone posted in
response to your every post saying that Arthur is clueless? Or the ZK
guys saying that GWT sucks in their ads that are all over the place.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion by going overboard is really not
necessary. You know what they say about opinions and wanting to give
them... And you've gone out of your way to voice your opinion even no
one asked for it.
Try to take a deep breath and relax when these libraries are mentioned
and ignore them instead of assuming the role of GWT gatekeeper. There
have been stray email questions on various third party libraries like
GChart and DnD. I don't see you jump in on those threads pointing to
the appropriate forum.
Rob
Full disclosure : I am a contributor to gwt-ext by mostly
participating in their forums.
On Dec 18, 8:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <arthur.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Judging from cloudcity's response, not everyone is aware of the draw
> backs of these libraries (or, as you put it, my position on them).
> Ignoring an issue is not going to make it go away. I'm letting people
> know what the draw backs of using these libraries are, because a lot
> of people are impressed by the shininess but are unaware of the
> numerous problems. Anyway, I'm not here to start a flame war, I'm just
> trying to warn people before they commit all their resources to these
> libraries.
>
> --
> Arthur Kalmenson
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rob Smith <scubacarri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did anyone ask you opinion on use of third part libs in this thread.
> > We know what your position is on using 3rd party libs and you have
> > made it clear "numerous" times. Repeating the same thing again and
> > again is just adding noise to this group. Gmail has a wonderful filter
> > option and you can set yours to ignore any thread that mentions any
> > lib that you don't care about :)
>
> > On Dec 17, 3:34 pm, "Arthur Kalmenson" <arthur.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm hoping that a lot of those things will be added to the incubator
> >> in the near future. I've mentioned the request for simpler security
> >> similar to Spring Security's @Secured("ROLE_USER") annotations. Data
> >> binding and validation frameworks are on their way as well, in the
> >> near future.
>
> >> I would stay away from ExtGWT or SmartGWT though.
>
> >> --
> >> Arthur Kalmenson
>
> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:54 AM, mikedshaf...@gmail.com
>
> >> <mikedshaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > This does bring up a good point and something that is sourly missing.
> >> > We have cobbled together some very generic type stuff patterned
> >> > (albeit very low in quality) what we used extensively in Eclipse Rich
> >> > Client. Maybe the ExtGWT guys or SmartGWT will come up with
> >> > something. Or if the Eclipse Web Client guys would do GWT.... Or if
> >> > I could find a spare moment or two, I'd take it on. The whole UI
> >> > framework beyond "widgets", like editors, views, menus, actions etc.
> >> > is a sweet spot to be sure that is missing from any of the web
> >> > frameworks, IMHO.
>
> >> > On Dec 17, 6:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <arthur.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> There are some things in the incubator for status bars and logging.
> >> >> The rest you would have to do yourself.
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Arthur Kalmenson
>
> >> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Riyaz Mansoor
> >> >> <riyaz.mans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > I'm not looking for rich widget sets (Ext, Smart, etc) but rather is
> >> >> > there a GWT framework that provides basics for a RIA. One that handles
> >> >> > the grunt work such as providing; status bar, xml or other
> >> >> > configurable menu, error logging report, authentication, security etc
>
> >> >> > This maybe reaching for the sky but kinda like what Eclipse or
> >> >> > Netbeans provides as the core platform when developing on those
> >> >> > platforms.- Hide quoted text -
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