Thanks I will check out gwt-mosaic again. I tried it recently and it couldn't be used because it was compiled with JRE 1.6, I tried recompiling with 1.5 but ran into issues. Hopefully this will be updated soon.
-Dave On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Arthur Kalmenson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > >> I see you have put SmartGWT in the JS wrapper camp, is this the case? >> I haven't heard anything about this library before and had just >> stumbled across it. > > SmartGWT is in fact a JS wrapper of the SmartCient JS library > (http://www.smartclient.com/) > >> Do you have a web site (or something) where we can find out which GWT >> libraries are pure GWT and okay to use? >> >> IMHO, although I know you steer folks away from the GWT wrapped JS >> libraries what is sorely needed are mature GWT libraries. Having a >> list of available GWT libraries would be a helpful start. > > AFAIK gwt-mosaic is a pure GWT library > (http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mosaic/), but I haven't used it. > Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you. I agree that there are a > lot of immature GWT libraries. The best advice that I can give is to > use vanilla GWT with the incubator (although not everything there is > great). GWT makes create new widgets pretty easy and the Animation > framework is easy to use. If you're interested in how to style up your > application, check out this GWT blog post: > http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2008/12/gwt-no-need-to-shortchange-your-style.html > > -- > Arthur Kalmenson > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:14 AM, David Hoffer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Arthur, >> >> I see you have put SmartGWT in the JS wrapper camp, is this the case? >> I haven't heard anything about this library before and had just >> stumbled across it. >> >> Do you have a web site (or something) where we can find out which GWT >> libraries are pure GWT and okay to use? >> >> IMHO, although I know you steer folks away from the GWT wrapped JS >> libraries what is sorely needed are mature GWT libraries. Having a >> list of available GWT libraries would be a helpful start. >> >> -Dave >> >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Arthur Kalmenson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> So you've assumed responsibility for being the GWT saviour by >>>> educating these developers and saving their project? >>> >>> I'm not really assuming any responsibility, I'm just mentioning that >>> there are draw backs to using these libraries. >>> >>>> What makes you so qualified? >>> >>> I've had to abandon and rewrite a GWT-ext project because of the said >>> drawbacks. I've talked with many other people who had to rewrite >>> ExtGWT and GWT-ext projects. >>> >>>> You've expressed your opinion (more than once) so why >>>> not leave it at that. How would it appear if someone posted in >>>> response to your every post saying that Arthur is clueless? >>> >>> I don't believe I was insulting anyone. And while I've expressed my >>> opinion (which many here hold), many people are new and don't know the >>> downside of using these libraries. >>> >>>> Or the ZK >>>> guys saying that GWT sucks in their ads that are all over the place. >>>> Everyone is entitled to an opinion by going overboard is really not >>>> necessary. You know what they say about opinions and wanting to give >>>> them... And you've gone out of your way to voice your opinion even no >>>> one asked for it. >>> >>> How am I going overboard? Dave Ford's comment is indicative that >>> people appreciate hearing what the down sides are. In order for a >>> developer to make an informed decision, they need to hear all sides >>> and try it for themselves. >>> >>>> Try to take a deep breath and relax when these libraries are mentioned >>>> and ignore them instead of assuming the role of GWT gatekeeper. There >>>> have been stray email questions on various third party libraries like >>>> GChart and DnD. I don't see you jump in on those threads pointing to >>>> the appropriate forum. >>> >>> That's the thing, if I ignore the posts that tell people to use >>> ExtGWT, gwt-ext or SmartGWT, and no one bothers to warn them, they >>> might end up committing substantial resources to these projects and >>> then have to rewrite them or have them turn out poorly. For example, >>> see this post >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit/msg/7e3ad4486d103b94 >>> where the developer says load times are slow (it's even slow on my new >>> MacBook Pro). Had the developer used vanilla GWT, I doubt they would >>> have run into those problems. >>> >>> The biggest problem IMHO is that people use these third party >>> libraries and think they're using GWT. They find that it's slow and >>> buggy and attribute it to GWT. Then GWT ends up getting a bad >>> reputation. People who come to this mailing list need to understand >>> that ExtGWT, gwt-ext or SmartGWT have almost nothing to do with GWT >>> and everything to do with the JS libraries they either wrap or attempt >>> to mimic. That way, if they decide to use these libraries, they'll >>> understand that they're using that toolkit, and not GWT. >>> >>> If I see questions about other third party libraries that go >>> unanswered, I'll point them to the appropriate mailing list (if one >>> exists). I can't catch and respond to every post. >>> >>> Anyway, I'm tired of arguing this point. If you like and use gwt-ext, >>> that's up to you. Try not to get so upset when someone points out its >>> flaws. >>> -- >>> Arthur Kalmenson >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Rob Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Arthur, >>>> So you've assumed responsibility for being the GWT saviour by >>>> educating these developers and saving their project? What makes you >>>> so qualified? You've expressed your opinion (more than once) so why >>>> not leave it at that. How would it appear if someone posted in >>>> response to your every post saying that Arthur is clueless? Or the ZK >>>> guys saying that GWT sucks in their ads that are all over the place. >>>> Everyone is entitled to an opinion by going overboard is really not >>>> necessary. You know what they say about opinions and wanting to give >>>> them... And you've gone out of your way to voice your opinion even no >>>> one asked for it. >>>> >>>> Try to take a deep breath and relax when these libraries are mentioned >>>> and ignore them instead of assuming the role of GWT gatekeeper. There >>>> have been stray email questions on various third party libraries like >>>> GChart and DnD. I don't see you jump in on those threads pointing to >>>> the appropriate forum. >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Full disclosure : I am a contributor to gwt-ext by mostly >>>> participating in their forums. >>>> >>>> On Dec 18, 8:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>> >>>>> Judging from cloudcity's response, not everyone is aware of the draw >>>>> backs of these libraries (or, as you put it, my position on them). >>>>> Ignoring an issue is not going to make it go away. I'm letting people >>>>> know what the draw backs of using these libraries are, because a lot >>>>> of people are impressed by the shininess but are unaware of the >>>>> numerous problems. Anyway, I'm not here to start a flame war, I'm just >>>>> trying to warn people before they commit all their resources to these >>>>> libraries. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arthur Kalmenson >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rob Smith <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Did anyone ask you opinion on use of third part libs in this thread. >>>>> > We know what your position is on using 3rd party libs and you have >>>>> > made it clear "numerous" times. Repeating the same thing again and >>>>> > again is just adding noise to this group. Gmail has a wonderful filter >>>>> > option and you can set yours to ignore any thread that mentions any >>>>> > lib that you don't care about :) >>>>> >>>>> > On Dec 17, 3:34 pm, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> I'm hoping that a lot of those things will be added to the incubator >>>>> >> in the near future. I've mentioned the request for simpler security >>>>> >> similar to Spring Security's @Secured("ROLE_USER") annotations. Data >>>>> >> binding and validation frameworks are on their way as well, in the >>>>> >> near future. >>>>> >>>>> >> I would stay away from ExtGWT or SmartGWT though. >>>>> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Arthur Kalmenson >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:54 AM, [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >> > This does bring up a good point and something that is sourly missing. >>>>> >> > We have cobbled together some very generic type stuff patterned >>>>> >> > (albeit very low in quality) what we used extensively in Eclipse Rich >>>>> >> > Client. Maybe the ExtGWT guys or SmartGWT will come up with >>>>> >> > something. Or if the Eclipse Web Client guys would do GWT.... Or if >>>>> >> > I could find a spare moment or two, I'd take it on. The whole UI >>>>> >> > framework beyond "widgets", like editors, views, menus, actions etc. >>>>> >> > is a sweet spot to be sure that is missing from any of the web >>>>> >> > frameworks, IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> >> > On Dec 17, 6:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >> There are some things in the incubator for status bars and logging. >>>>> >> >> The rest you would have to do yourself. >>>>> >>>>> >> >> -- >>>>> >> >> Arthur Kalmenson >>>>> >>>>> >> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Riyaz Mansoor >>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >> >> > I'm not looking for rich widget sets (Ext, Smart, etc) but rather >>>>> >> >> > is >>>>> >> >> > there a GWT framework that provides basics for a RIA. One that >>>>> >> >> > handles >>>>> >> >> > the grunt work such as providing; status bar, xml or other >>>>> >> >> > configurable menu, error logging report, authentication, security >>>>> >> >> > etc >>>>> >>>>> >> >> > This maybe reaching for the sky but kinda like what Eclipse or >>>>> >> >> > Netbeans provides as the core platform when developing on those >>>>> >> >> > platforms.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> >>>>> >> >> - Show quoted text - >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> > >>> >> >> > >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
