Hi Dave, gwt-ext and SmartGWT are wrappers of javascript libraries (respectively ExtJS and SmartClient) Ext GWT (aka gxt) and gwt-mosaic are pure GWT libraries (the former is hosted by ExtJS guys and trying to get the same features as ExtJS, that's why there is "Ext" in the name).
@Riyaz : I forgot to say, there is also GWTEventService to implement Server Push in a GWT app. I didn't try it, but it has a rich documentation. Regards. -- Miles T. On 19 déc, 15:47, "David Hoffer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks I will check out gwt-mosaic again. I tried it recently and it > couldn't be used because it was compiled with JRE 1.6, I tried > recompiling with 1.5 but ran into issues. Hopefully this will be > updated soon. > > -Dave > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Arthur Kalmenson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > > >> I see you have put SmartGWT in the JS wrapper camp, is this the case? > >> I haven't heard anything about this library before and had just > >> stumbled across it. > > > SmartGWT is in fact a JS wrapper of the SmartCient JS library > > (http://www.smartclient.com/) > > >> Do you have a web site (or something) where we can find out which GWT > >> libraries are pure GWT and okay to use? > > >> IMHO, although I know you steer folks away from the GWT wrapped JS > >> libraries what is sorely needed are mature GWT libraries. Having a > >> list of available GWT libraries would be a helpful start. > > > AFAIK gwt-mosaic is a pure GWT library > > (http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mosaic/), but I haven't used it. > > Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you. I agree that there are a > > lot of immature GWT libraries. The best advice that I can give is to > > use vanilla GWT with the incubator (although not everything there is > > great). GWT makes create new widgets pretty easy and the Animation > > framework is easy to use. If you're interested in how to style up your > > application, check out this GWT blog post: > >http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2008/12/gwt-no-need-to-shortchan... > > > -- > > Arthur Kalmenson > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:14 AM, David Hoffer <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Arthur, > > >> I see you have put SmartGWT in the JS wrapper camp, is this the case? > >> I haven't heard anything about this library before and had just > >> stumbled across it. > > >> Do you have a web site (or something) where we can find out which GWT > >> libraries are pure GWT and okay to use? > > >> IMHO, although I know you steer folks away from the GWT wrapped JS > >> libraries what is sorely needed are mature GWT libraries. Having a > >> list of available GWT libraries would be a helpful start. > > >> -Dave > > >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Arthur Kalmenson <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >>>> So you've assumed responsibility for being the GWT saviour by > >>>> educating these developers and saving their project? > > >>> I'm not really assuming any responsibility, I'm just mentioning that > >>> there are draw backs to using these libraries. > > >>>> What makes you so qualified? > > >>> I've had to abandon and rewrite a GWT-ext project because of the said > >>> drawbacks. I've talked with many other people who had to rewrite > >>> ExtGWT and GWT-ext projects. > > >>>> You've expressed your opinion (more than once) so why > >>>> not leave it at that. How would it appear if someone posted in > >>>> response to your every post saying that Arthur is clueless? > > >>> I don't believe I was insulting anyone. And while I've expressed my > >>> opinion (which many here hold), many people are new and don't know the > >>> downside of using these libraries. > > >>>> Or the ZK > >>>> guys saying that GWT sucks in their ads that are all over the place. > >>>> Everyone is entitled to an opinion by going overboard is really not > >>>> necessary. You know what they say about opinions and wanting to give > >>>> them... And you've gone out of your way to voice your opinion even no > >>>> one asked for it. > > >>> How am I going overboard? Dave Ford's comment is indicative that > >>> people appreciate hearing what the down sides are. In order for a > >>> developer to make an informed decision, they need to hear all sides > >>> and try it for themselves. > > >>>> Try to take a deep breath and relax when these libraries are mentioned > >>>> and ignore them instead of assuming the role of GWT gatekeeper. There > >>>> have been stray email questions on various third party libraries like > >>>> GChart and DnD. I don't see you jump in on those threads pointing to > >>>> the appropriate forum. > > >>> That's the thing, if I ignore the posts that tell people to use > >>> ExtGWT, gwt-ext or SmartGWT, and no one bothers to warn them, they > >>> might end up committing substantial resources to these projects and > >>> then have to rewrite them or have them turn out poorly. For example, > >>> see this > >>> posthttp://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit/msg/7e3ad4486d103b94 > >>> where the developer says load times are slow (it's even slow on my new > >>> MacBook Pro). Had the developer used vanilla GWT, I doubt they would > >>> have run into those problems. > > >>> The biggest problem IMHO is that people use these third party > >>> libraries and think they're using GWT. They find that it's slow and > >>> buggy and attribute it to GWT. Then GWT ends up getting a bad > >>> reputation. People who come to this mailing list need to understand > >>> that ExtGWT, gwt-ext or SmartGWT have almost nothing to do with GWT > >>> and everything to do with the JS libraries they either wrap or attempt > >>> to mimic. That way, if they decide to use these libraries, they'll > >>> understand that they're using that toolkit, and not GWT. > > >>> If I see questions about other third party libraries that go > >>> unanswered, I'll point them to the appropriate mailing list (if one > >>> exists). I can't catch and respond to every post. > > >>> Anyway, I'm tired of arguing this point. If you like and use gwt-ext, > >>> that's up to you. Try not to get so upset when someone points out its > >>> flaws. > >>> -- > >>> Arthur Kalmenson > > >>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Rob Smith <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > >>>> Arthur, > >>>> So you've assumed responsibility for being the GWT saviour by > >>>> educating these developers and saving their project? What makes you > >>>> so qualified? You've expressed your opinion (more than once) so why > >>>> not leave it at that. How would it appear if someone posted in > >>>> response to your every post saying that Arthur is clueless? Or the ZK > >>>> guys saying that GWT sucks in their ads that are all over the place. > >>>> Everyone is entitled to an opinion by going overboard is really not > >>>> necessary. You know what they say about opinions and wanting to give > >>>> them... And you've gone out of your way to voice your opinion even no > >>>> one asked for it. > > >>>> Try to take a deep breath and relax when these libraries are mentioned > >>>> and ignore them instead of assuming the role of GWT gatekeeper. There > >>>> have been stray email questions on various third party libraries like > >>>> GChart and DnD. I don't see you jump in on those threads pointing to > >>>> the appropriate forum. > > >>>> Rob > > >>>> Full disclosure : I am a contributor to gwt-ext by mostly > >>>> participating in their forums. > > >>>> On Dec 18, 8:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Hi Rob, > > >>>>> Judging from cloudcity's response, not everyone is aware of the draw > >>>>> backs of these libraries (or, as you put it, my position on them). > >>>>> Ignoring an issue is not going to make it go away. I'm letting people > >>>>> know what the draw backs of using these libraries are, because a lot > >>>>> of people are impressed by the shininess but are unaware of the > >>>>> numerous problems. Anyway, I'm not here to start a flame war, I'm just > >>>>> trying to warn people before they commit all their resources to these > >>>>> libraries. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Arthur Kalmenson > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rob Smith <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > Did anyone ask you opinion on use of third part libs in this thread. > >>>>> > We know what your position is on using 3rd party libs and you have > >>>>> > made it clear "numerous" times. Repeating the same thing again and > >>>>> > again is just adding noise to this group. Gmail has a wonderful filter > >>>>> > option and you can set yours to ignore any thread that mentions any > >>>>> > lib that you don't care about :) > > >>>>> > On Dec 17, 3:34 pm, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> >> I'm hoping that a lot of those things will be added to the incubator > >>>>> >> in the near future. I've mentioned the request for simpler security > >>>>> >> similar to Spring Security's @Secured("ROLE_USER") annotations. Data > >>>>> >> binding and validation frameworks are on their way as well, in the > >>>>> >> near future. > > >>>>> >> I would stay away from ExtGWT or SmartGWT though. > > >>>>> >> -- > >>>>> >> Arthur Kalmenson > > >>>>> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:54 AM, [email protected] > > >>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> >> > This does bring up a good point and something that is sourly > >>>>> >> > missing. > >>>>> >> > We have cobbled together some very generic type stuff patterned > >>>>> >> > (albeit very low in quality) what we used extensively in Eclipse > >>>>> >> > Rich > >>>>> >> > Client. Maybe the ExtGWT guys or SmartGWT will come up with > >>>>> >> > something. Or if the Eclipse Web Client guys would do GWT.... Or > >>>>> >> > if > >>>>> >> > I could find a spare moment or two, I'd take it on. The whole UI > >>>>> >> > framework beyond "widgets", like editors, views, menus, actions > >>>>> >> > etc. > >>>>> >> > is a sweet spot to be sure that is missing from any of the web > >>>>> >> > frameworks, IMHO. > > >>>>> >> > On Dec 17, 6:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> > >>>>> >> > wrote: > >>>>> >> >> There are some things in the incubator for status bars and > >>>>> >> >> logging. > >>>>> >> >> The rest you would have to do yourself. > > >>>>> >> >> -- > >>>>> >> >> Arthur Kalmenson > > >>>>> >> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Riyaz Mansoor > >>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> >> >> > I'm not looking for rich widget sets (Ext, Smart, etc) but > >>>>> >> >> > rather is > >>>>> >> >> > there a GWT framework that provides basics for a RIA. 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