On Friday, 25 January 2013 19:14:08 UTC, Robert Kaiser  wrote:

> For one thing, "we" as in Mozilla don't ship phones, the 
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> OEMs/carriers/manufacturers do. And which code they include is 
> 
> ultimately their choice. Of course we could make criteria that they need 
> 
> to include locales X or Y to use the "Firefox" brand, but they may 
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> possibly just go and brand it "OpenWebPhone" or whatever and ignore our 
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> wishes completely. So, ultimately, this is up to our people negotiating 
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> with those partners.

A poingnant reminder of why Mozilla needs to make l10n non-negotiable in terms 
of manufacturers using it "as is" - I upgraded my phone today and apparently 
HTC think that the three languages a user in the UK needs are English, French 
and Spanish. 

The 20011 census is just out. We know Irish, Manx, Cornish, Gaelic and Welsh 
are indigenous and generally get "shafted" to use a technical term. The most 
widely spoken non-English languages are Polish, Welsh, Punjabi, Sylheti and 
Urdu. Yet none of these feature as a language offered for the UI.

The reality is that the process by which manufacturers choose these is totally 
arbitrary in the end and doesn't give a dead monkey about linguistic 
inclusiveness. So the big question is, is Mozilla willing to abandon its 
principles viz. l10n to suit big business? And wouldn't that be rather ironic, 
given the mission statement we've translated oh-so-many-times?
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