On 23/01/13 09:20, Nukeador wrote: >> That makes logical sense as a request, although I don't know how our >> business development team will react to it. :-) In any negotiation, in >> order to get something you have to give something, and we can never have >> all that we want. Therefore, in order for this to be something we fight >> for in contracts, we need good reasons why we are keen that it happens. > > True, but my personal opinion is that there are some things that shouldn't > be negotiable, such as features. For me, the lack of a locale is lack of a > feature.
But we ship single-locale builds of desktop Firefox all the time. I don't think your problem is with not shipping a locale so much as the inability to install a different locale afterwards. And that's not the carrier's problem, it's our technical problem to solve. I _hope_ (as in, it fits with our principles, I think it was the case, but I am not closely involved) that one thing we do require is for the phones to be unlockable. So people can, at least theoretically, install other builds of Firefox OS, including versions with different locales, after they have purchased the phone. Of course, this would require CyanogenMod-like engineering because the phones will have proprietary drivers in them. > Locales are a core feature of Firefox, they are the representation of the > multi-cultural community we are and our commitment to create a global > product. > > I would add a question for them: What are the reasons for not including a > locale? In this case I think they should convince us, since we are removing > our work from the final product. I suspect their answer would be, at least in part, "we haven't QAed it, and the apps and strings we have added to the OS and apps are not translated into it, so users will get an inconsistent experience". >> My understanding from this discussion is that such a mechanism is in the >> works (although it may not be simple for Mozilla to provide complete >> language packs for phones which have been customized by OEMs or carriers >> and new strings added). > > I assume Firefox OS is shipped as it is and modifications have to be > approved by us in order to use the "Firefox OS" brand. Similar to the > desktop. I don't know either way, but I would not assume that the restrictions on modification we apply to Firefox are the same as those we apply to Firefox OS. I'm almost certain it's not the case that we have to approve every individual change they make, or that they have a responsibility to send us the code for all such changes (e.g. a new app added) so we could then provide a localization for it. Gerv _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
