I don't think this sub-thread is appropriate for the list. Asa, if you aren't sure an email is addressed to you, why not clarify off list? Your response was incredibly defensive and didn't leave much room for Ehsan to provide a collaborative response. Your words come very close to "I am right and you are wrong." You focused on how you thought Ehsan was wrong in his evaluation of your words, and how your original statement was correct. A collaborative reply - reframing your original point with the intent for other people to understand it, not defend your original word choice - could have gotten your point across just as well without focusing the conversation on to you.
I am leaving this reply on list because I want people to be able to agree or disagree on what is appropriate for a group discussion, but I have split it off from the main thread as Irvin has made a very good reply to a different post and I'd like not to further steer that thread away from those points. Also I think Asa can handle an open discussion and would appreciate knowing what people think. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Asa Dotzler <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 12/19/13, 7:38 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > >> On 12/18/2013, 11:49 PM, Asa Dotzler wrote: >> >>> On 12/18/13, 8:35 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/18/2013, 5:03 PM, Asa Dotzler wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/17/13, 8:30 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: >>>>> > Instead Mozilla should shine light on these companies' unscrupulous >>>>> > behavior and win users with respectful privacy solutions. >>>>> >>>>> I think this could be an Western biased view. Why do you believe that >>>>> Chinese users will be receptive to those kinds of messages? My limited >>>>> experience suggests that, in general, they won't be. >>>>> >>>> >>>> In that case Mozilla should do nothing. What you said is not an >>>> argument for fighting fire with fire. >>>> >>> >>> Is this addressed to me? I did not make and do not claim any such >>> argument or prescription. >>> >> >> You argued that Chris' point is coming from a western point of view and >> won't work on Chinese users, and I suggested that if that's true, then we >> should have done nothing. >> > > I made no other argument than calling Chris' approach naive. If you'd like > to engage me in a discussion of what options there are besides "do nothing" > and "fight fire with fire" we can do that, but if you'll re-read what I > wrote, you'll see that I carefully stayed away from prescriptions because > that wasn't the point I thought most important. > > My post was intended to point out that the strategies we employ in the > West naively applied to China probably won't work - and nothing more. > > - A > > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
