On 2015-01-27 2:11 PM, Mike Hoye wrote:
On 2015-01-27 1:51 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hoye <[email protected]> wrote:
I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related
channels, and even then to be opt-in. Blanket opt-out enrollment in
anything doesn't really sound like us. - mhoye
Opting-in is not defaulting to open for what it is worth it is making
open optional. And we actually do opt-in quite frequently there are
features that collect data in Firefox that are on by default... Our
mailing lists archive by open by default and our bugs are open by
default.
Those are fair points, but we're talking about changing the (perceived)
behavior of an existing system, not establishing the standards of a new
one.
No, we are talking about codifying something in a policy.
The status quo is that IRC conversations can be logged, not just by
Mozilla but by anybody who is connected to the IRC network.
In that context I don't think it's fair - or good PR! - to impose that
change on participants, even if it it is to reinforce a standard we
expect of ourselves.
I would prefer to see a change like this preannounced, limited to
product- and project-related channels at first, and opt-in thereafter.
I'm having a really hard time parsing most of the conversation here. It
seems that most people are under the false impression that IRC
conversations are private by default. That is not the case. Even in
password protected channels, a lot of IRC clients (mine included for
example) log the conversations happening when they are connected to the
network.
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