On 27/01/2015 19:11, Mike Hoye wrote:
On 2015-01-27 1:51 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hoye <[email protected]> wrote:
I'd intended this request to be only for product- and project-related
channels, and even then to be opt-in. Blanket opt-out enrollment in
anything doesn't really sound like us. - mhoye
Opting-in is not defaulting to open for what it is worth it is making
open optional. And we actually do opt-in quite frequently there are
features that collect data in Firefox that are on by default... Our
mailing lists archive by open by default and our bugs are open by
default.
Those are fair points, but we're talking about changing the (perceived)
behavior of an existing system, not establishing the standards of a new
one.
In that context I don't think it's fair - or good PR! - to impose that
change on participants, even if it it is to reinforce a standard we
expect of ourselves.
I would prefer to see a change like this preannounced, limited to
product- and project-related channels at first, and opt-in thereafter.
So, strawman (which IMO is reasonable): can we check irc.m.o for
currently-public channels with 10 or more people in that are not
currently being publicly logged, which are clearly
project/product-related (rather than watercooler chat stuff), and ask
channel owners for all of them if they would consider ensuring the
channel is publicly logged? (where "No" is a valid answer to that
request, assuming $reasons)
Does that seem like a reasonable proposal to everyone, even if it
doesn't go quite so far as to either not change anything on the one
hand, or enforce that everything is logged on the other?
~ Gijs
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