it s like the old (i think late 80s) mallu dilemma "How come a mahout represent Kerala?" (in that national integration song.. mile sur mera tumhara...) a caste Hindu lady can be imagined to represent kerala (kerala mata) (see http://kafila.org/ ) but not a mahout..... or as ratheesh pointed out the Other to represent the vicious side. jokes are not only jokes!
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:56 PM, ratheesh r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi all > If we get back to the beginning of the thread we will realise that there > was also an important context within which jenny's argument (which i agree > with) was raised. > this was the desire to put this up on another site on the 'keralpiravi' > day. this is think is important. > when non-upper caste representations are being used to represent kerala, it > seems it is only when a negative point is to be made. when an image is used > to 'represent' something, in this instace kerala in the engative, the image > (and the joke associated) gets further meaning. > the 'representational' (in both senses of the term) strategy involved is > definitely questionable and i wud say, unacceptable. > > ratheesh > > --- On *Wed, 10/22/08, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: SNAKES FOUND ON KERALA > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 5:38 PM > > > why all this public (de)grading? > let things not be reduced to a competition and winning and losing > > though sometimes we do talk in a very competitive way > and there is a fun in that > i think we should also remember that we are here to discuss ideas > to share learn and clarify .. > and not to win or lose or score - > > i would feel afraid to talk further, > if i feel that there is a grading going on like this - > > jenny > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Is there any thing wrong in losing a match. A loser invokes pain... >> >> Regards >> Afthab Ellath >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:53 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> I agree too. >>> I was wondering the earlier "Man" of the metch thing was a dig at Jenny >>> or a Joke. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>> Sorry Mr James,I whole heartedly selected Jenny as the person of the >>>> match,in solidarity to her.Sorry to say that you faied to score even one >>>> wicket! >>>> >>>> shahina >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/22/08, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That will be a fitting end. >>>>> Jenny won't agree though, because of her "prejudices". >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>>> So ,is it over friends? >>>>>> Anivar, Shall we announce Jenny 'MAN' of the match? >>>>>> shahina >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/22/08, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for the admission :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are good jokes and bad jokes. >>>>>>>> I admit. Did I say I laugh at all the jokes! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2008/10/22 ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana >>>>>>>>> Chaula became one among them >>>>>>>>> another joke!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, jenny rowena < >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is a recently circulating joke - >>>>>>>>>> please do laugh, you can't live without laughing, can you?? >>>>>>>>>> am going, have better things to do, >>>>>>>>>> bye ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Manmohan Singh said to George Bush - "We are sending Indians to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> moon next year". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bush - "Wow! How Many?" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Manmohan Singh - "about 100 - and in the following order: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 25 - OBC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 25 - SC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 20 - ST >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5 - Handicapped >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5 - Sports Persons >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5 - Terrorist Affected >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5 - Kashmiri Migrants >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 9 - Politicians >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and if possible >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1 - Astronaut* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM, James Michael < >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the admission. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON >>>>>>>>>>>> I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE - >>>>>>>>>>>> I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lol >>>>>>>>>>>> jenny >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>> Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, jenny rowena < >>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Afthab Ellath < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I don't agree with the idea there are only political >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jokes... There was a friend of mine in college, who made us >>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh whenever >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he wanted irrespective of our political orientation... Those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke never >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remained in us for long time as well... Even his laughter made >>>>>>>>>>>>>> us laugh... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afthab Ellath >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Afthab Ellath < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poleesukaran is that kakki kuppayam for me... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afthab Ellath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Shahina KK < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Afthab, so you are not disturbed by a 'pavam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policukaran' being laughed at? Dare you to replace him with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DGP? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shahina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even as I agree with you. may I ask you a few doubts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us take any joke for that matter.. do you think it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only communicate one dimensionally through all generations? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example right now. what I mean a joke which served one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ideological >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose in one time may can have directly opposing purpose in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sense that one time power structure serving joke used in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different context may be challenging the power or any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an example in this regard now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {I am reminded not of a joke. But a poem. Kuthirakumbo by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ayyappa Panicker. It was read by Harris as a politcal poem in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the emergency >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context. Satchi mash reiterated this argument and Harris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself challenged >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by reading it in altogether different dimension} . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( Jenny, I will be happy if you this time would not call my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrap as "academic poetry", Pls.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, jenny rowena < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every joke, namboodiri, lower caste, or sexist has an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological purpose.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the problem is not with joking, the problem is with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology associated with jokes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ideologically i stand against hegemonic power structures.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So i get lots of pleasure in making direct fun of these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power structures. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (without using subalterns as scape goats) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me say from my memory one joke, which always makes me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially in the context of what happens around.. in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every field, including academics.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *This is from a Mimicry program. Here a man is asking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalabhavan Mani some questions in a job interview. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man: 1995 America Bahiraakashathekku oru pattiye vittu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athine patti ningalude abhipraayam?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (In 1995, America sent a dog to space, what do you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of it?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalabhavan Mani: Pokkividaan aalundenkil ethu pattikkum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mukalil ethaam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (If there is someone to help you up, any dog can reach the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I think this is a very political joke and is against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dominant structures, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and does not hurt anyone but those who are in power... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't stop laughing when i hear such jokes.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it helps me vent my anger too ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many feminist jokes like this too- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the point is not about joking, but about the purposes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a joke serves and who it hurts and uses... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are we going to say we need not think about this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then WHY do analysis, politics, cultural studies? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't we just sit back and relax in various pleasure domes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and keep on laughing even when the joke is on US??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Shahina KK < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shahina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a project one can analyze all the presently available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jokes and seek proscribing of all those caste-class >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudiced jokes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply a new collection of politically correct jokes.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think as a model definitely Stalin must have done this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with Zhadanov.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The consequences of an innocuous joke like Long Live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trotsky was a disaster in post- soviet union invaded >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prague. I think every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one has read it!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or if this model is limiting, one can also look at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neo-peasantry model of POL POT where laughter itself was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically wrong!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James not onle our class caste.... there are many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices........ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when i come across a politically correct joke Ill post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ok >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first try laughing at one's self... this is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, "damodar prasad" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Is camera permitted inside Press Clubs.. I mean to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get very politically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sensitive pictures of toothless but radical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Pambs*... and if with sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > bites. it would've been very interesting.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, James Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jokes are almost always about our class-caste >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices. Can anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > suggest a politically correct joke please? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Or is it that people can't joke in this part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > exactly !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *when will we wake up to the class-caste >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices that are deeply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> embedded in our jokes, images and analysis ???? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Anil Tharayath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varghese < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> The "page 3" ones who sits and drink scotches and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vomit in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> luxurious flushes is a luxury..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> The representation is pathetic. Devika please do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not translate and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> at all do not exhibit the photos please...... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Oct 22, 12:32 pm, "ranju radha" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > there are some other kinds of "snakes" who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national claim to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > SNAKE. but those fotos may not be available for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circulation. It would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > very kind to organise a national excibition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once THE WE get those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> photos for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > circulation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> James Michael >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> James Michael >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> James Michael >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> James Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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