Maybe we should make clear this to the public :
Me and Jenny always talk like this in person.
It's just that it spread over to the public place.
Anyways, I guess the basic point was to discuss a particular idea.
2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> why all this public (de)grading?
> let things not be reduced to a competition and winning and losing
>
> though sometimes we do talk in a very competitive way
> and there is a fun in that
> i think we should also remember that we are here to discuss ideas
> to share learn and clarify ..
> and not to win or lose or score -
>
> i would feel afraid to talk further,
> if i feel that there is a grading going on like this -
>
> jenny
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Is there any thing wrong in losing a match. A loser invokes pain...
>>
>> Regards
>> Afthab Ellath
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:53 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> I agree too.
>>> I was wondering the earlier "Man" of the metch thing was a dig at Jenny
>>> or a Joke.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>> Sorry Mr James,I whole heartedly selected Jenny as the person of the
>>>> match,in solidarity to her.Sorry to say that you faied to score even one
>>>> wicket!
>>>>
>>>> shahina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/22/08, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That will be a fitting end.
>>>>> Jenny won't agree though, because of her "prejudices".
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So ,is it over friends?
>>>>>> Anivar, Shall we announce Jenny 'MAN' of the match?
>>>>>> shahina
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/22/08, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks for the admission :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are good jokes and bad jokes.
>>>>>>>> I admit. Did I say I laugh at all the jokes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2008/10/22 ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana
>>>>>>>>> Chaula became one among them
>>>>>>>>> another joke!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, jenny rowena <
>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is a recently circulating joke -
>>>>>>>>>> please do laugh, you can't live without laughing, can you??
>>>>>>>>>> am going, have better things to do,
>>>>>>>>>> bye !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Manmohan Singh said to George Bush - "We are sending Indians to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> moon next year".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bush - "Wow! How Many?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Manmohan Singh - "about 100 - and in the following order:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 25 - OBC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 25 - SC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 20 - ST
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5 - Handicapped
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5 - Sports Persons
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5 - Terrorist Affected
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5 - Kashmiri Migrants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 9 - Politicians
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and if possible
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1 - Astronaut*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM, James Michael <
>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the admission.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON
>>>>>>>>>>>> I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE -
>>>>>>>>>>>> I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>>>>> jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, jenny rowena <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Afthab Ellath <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I don't agree with the idea there are only political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jokes... There was a friend of mine in college, who made us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh whenever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he wanted irrespective of our political orientation... Those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remained in us for long time as well... Even his laughter made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us laugh...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afthab Ellath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Afthab Ellath <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poleesukaran is that kakki kuppayam for me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afthab Ellath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Shahina KK <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Afthab, so you are not disturbed by a 'pavam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policukaran' being laughed at? Dare you to replace him with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DGP?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shahina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even as I agree with you. may I ask you a few doubts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us take any joke for that matter.. do you think it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only communicate one dimensionally through all generations? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example right now. what I mean a joke which served one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ideological
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose in one time may can have directly opposing purpose in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sense that one time power structure serving joke used in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different context may be challenging the power or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an example in this regard now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {I am reminded not of a joke. But a poem. Kuthirakumbo by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ayyappa Panicker. It was read by Harris as a politcal poem in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the emergency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context. Satchi mash reiterated this argument and Harris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself challenged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by reading it in altogether different dimension} .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( Jenny, I will be happy if you this time would not call my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrap as "academic poetry", Pls.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, jenny rowena <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every joke, namboodiri, lower caste, or sexist has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological purpose..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the problem is not with joking, the problem is with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology associated with jokes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ideologically i stand against hegemonic power structures..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So i get lots of pleasure in making direct fun of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power structures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (without using subalterns as scape goats)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me say from my memory one joke, which always makes me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially in the context of what happens around.. in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every field, including academics..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *This is from a Mimicry program. Here a man is asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalabhavan Mani some questions in a job interview.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man: 1995 America Bahiraakashathekku oru pattiye vittu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athine patti ningalude abhipraayam??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (In 1995, America sent a dog to space, what do you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of it?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalabhavan Mani: Pokkividaan aalundenkil ethu pattikkum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mukalil ethaam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (If there is someone to help you up, any dog can reach the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I think this is a very political joke and is against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dominant structures,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and does not hurt anyone but those who are in power...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't stop laughing when i hear such jokes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it helps me vent my anger too ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many feminist jokes like this too-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the point is not about joking, but about the purposes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a joke serves and who it hurts and uses...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are we going to say we need not think about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then WHY do analysis, politics, cultural studies?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't we just sit back and relax in various pleasure domes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and keep on laughing even when the joke is on US???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Shahina KK <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shahina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a project one can analyze all the presently available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jokes and seek proscribing of all those caste-class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudiced jokes and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply a new collection of politically correct jokes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think as a model definitely Stalin must have done this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with Zhadanov..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The consequences of an innocuous joke like Long Live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trotsky was a disaster in post- soviet union invaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prague. I think every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one has read it!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or if this model is limiting, one can also look at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neo-peasantry model of POL POT where laughter itself was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically wrong!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James not onle our class caste.... there are many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when i come across a politically correct joke Ill post
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ok
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first try laughing at one's self... this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, "damodar prasad" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Is camera permitted inside Press Clubs.. I mean to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get very politically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sensitive pictures of toothless but radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Pambs*... and if with sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > bites. it would've been very interesting..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, James Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jokes are almost always about our class-caste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices. Can anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > suggest a politically correct joke please?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Or is it that people can't joke in this part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > exactly !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *when will we wake up to the class-caste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices that are deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> embedded in our jokes, images and analysis ????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Anil Tharayath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varghese <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> The "page 3" ones who sits and drink scotches and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vomit in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> luxurious flushes is a luxury.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> The representation is pathetic. Devika please do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not translate and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> at all do not exhibit the photos please......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Oct 22, 12:32 pm, "ranju radha" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > there are some other kinds of "snakes" who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national claim to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > SNAKE. but those fotos may not be available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circulation. It would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > very kind to organise a national excibition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once THE WE get those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> photos for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > circulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> James Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> James Michael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> James Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> James Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>
--
James Michael
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