hi all If we get back to the beginning of the thread we will realise that there was also an important context within which jenny's argument (which i agree with) was raised. this was the desire to put this up on another site on the 'keralpiravi' day. this is think is important. when non-upper caste representations are being used to represent kerala, it seems it is only when a negative point is to be made. when an image is used to 'represent' something, in this instace kerala in the engative, the image (and the joke associated) gets further meaning. the 'representational' (in both senses of the term) strategy involved is definitely questionable and i wud say, unacceptable.
ratheesh --- On Wed, 10/22/08, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: SNAKES FOUND ON KERALA To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 5:38 PM why all this public (de)grading? let things not be reduced to a competition and winning and losing though sometimes we do talk in a very competitive way and there is a fun in that i think we should also remember that we are here to discuss ideas to share learn and clarify .. and not to win or lose or score - i would feel afraid to talk further, if i feel that there is a grading going on like this - jenny On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any thing wrong in losing a match. A loser invokes pain... Regards Afthab Ellath On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:53 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree too. I was wondering the earlier "Man" of the metch thing was a dig at Jenny or a Joke. 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry Mr James,I whole heartedly selected Jenny as the person of the match,in solidarity to her.Sorry to say that you faied to score even one wicket! shahina On 10/22/08, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That will be a fitting end. Jenny won't agree though, because of her "prejudices". :) 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So ,is it over friends? Anivar, Shall we announce Jenny 'MAN' of the match? shahina On 10/22/08, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: thanks for the admission :) On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are good jokes and bad jokes. I admit. Did I say I laugh at all the jokes! 2008/10/22 ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana Chaula became one among them another joke!! On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is a recently circulating joke - please do laugh, you can't live without laughing, can you?? am going, have better things to do, bye ! Manmohan Singh said to George Bush - "We are sending Indians to the moon next year". Bush - "Wow! How Many?" Manmohan Singh - "about 100 - and in the following order: 25 - OBC 25 - SC 20 - ST 5 - Handicapped 5 - Sports Persons 5 - Terrorist Affected 5 - Kashmiri Migrants 9 - Politicians and if possible 1 - Astronaut On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the admission. 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE - I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND, lol jenny On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I don't agree with the idea there are only political jokes... There was a friend of mine in college, who made us laugh whenever he wanted irrespective of our political orientation... Those joke never remained in us for long time as well... Even his laughter made us laugh... Regards Afthab Ellath On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Poleesukaran is that kakki kuppayam for me... Regards Afthab Ellath On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, Afthab, so you are not disturbed by a 'pavam policukaran' being laughed at? Dare you to replace him with DGP? shahina On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jenny, even as I agree with you. may I ask you a few doubts: Let us take any joke for that matter.. do you think it will only communicate one dimensionally through all generations? I don't have a example right now. what I mean a joke which served one peculiar ideological purpose in one time may can have directly opposing purpose in another. In the sense that one time power structure serving joke used in altogether different context may be challenging the power or any structure. I don't have an example in this regard now. {I am reminded not of a joke. But a poem. Kuthirakumbo by Ayyappa Panicker. It was read by Harris as a politcal poem in the emergency context. Satchi mash reiterated this argument and Harris himself challenged it by reading it in altogether different dimension} . ( Jenny, I will be happy if you this time would not call my scrap as "academic poetry", Pls.) On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Friends, Every joke, namboodiri, lower caste, or sexist has an ideological purpose.. So the problem is not with joking, the problem is with the ideology associated with jokes. Ideologically i stand against hegemonic power structures.. So i get lots of pleasure in making direct fun of these power structures. (without using subalterns as scape goats) Let me say from my memory one joke, which always makes me laugh especially in the context of what happens around.. in every field, including academics.. This is from a Mimicry program. Here a man is asking Kalabhavan Mani some questions in a job interview. Man: 1995 America Bahiraakashathekku oru pattiye vittu. Athine patti ningalude abhipraayam?? (In 1995, America sent a dog to space, what do you think of it?) Kalabhavan Mani: Pokkividaan aalundenkil ethu pattikkum mukalil ethaam. (If there is someone to help you up, any dog can reach the top) I think this is a very political joke and is against dominant structures, and does not hurt anyone but those who are in power... i can't stop laughing when i hear such jokes.. it helps me vent my anger too ... there are many feminist jokes like this too- so the point is not about joking, but about the purposes which a joke serves and who it hurts and uses... are we going to say we need not think about this? then WHY do analysis, politics, cultural studies? can't we just sit back and relax in various pleasure domes and keep on laughing even when the joke is on US??? jenny On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally correct? shahina On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a project one can analyze all the presently available jokes and seek proscribing of all those caste-class prejudiced jokes and supply a new collection of politically correct jokes.. I think as a model definitely Stalin must have done this along with Zhadanov.. The consequences of an innocuous joke like Long Live Trotsky was a disaster in post- soviet union invaded Prague. I think every one has read it!! Or if this model is limiting, one can also look at the neo-peasantry model of POL POT where laughter itself was politically wrong!! On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: James not onle our class caste.... there are many prejudices........ when i come across a politically correct joke Ill post it ok first try laughing at one's self... this is a recommendation On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, "damodar prasad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is camera permitted inside Press Clubs.. I mean to get very politically > sensitive pictures of toothless but radical *Pambs*... and if with sound > bites. it would've been very interesting.. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jokes are almost always about our class-caste prejudices. Can anyone > > suggest a politically correct joke please? > > Or is it that people can't joke in this part of the world? > > > 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > exactly !! > >> *when will we wake up to the class-caste prejudices that are deeply > >> embedded in our jokes, images and analysis ???? > >> * > >> jenny > > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese < > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> The "page 3" ones who sits and drink scotches and vomit in their > >>> luxurious flushes is a luxury..... > > >>> The representation is pathetic. Devika please do not translate and if > >>> at all do not exhibit the photos please...... > > >>> On Oct 22, 12:32 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > there are some other kinds of "snakes" who have national claim to be > >>> THE > >>> > SNAKE. but those fotos may not be available for circulation. It would > >>> be > >>> > very kind to organise a national excibition once THE WE get those > >>> photos for > >>> > circulation. > > >>> > regards -- James Michael -- James Michael -- James Michael -- James Michael --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
