why all this public (de)grading?
let things not be reduced to a competition and winning and losing
though sometimes we do talk in a very competitive way
and there is a fun in that
i think we should also remember that we are here to discuss ideas
to share learn and clarify ..
and not to win or lose or score -
i would feel afraid to talk further,
if i feel that there is a grading going on like this -
jenny
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any thing wrong in losing a match. A loser invokes pain...
>
> Regards
> Afthab Ellath
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:53 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I agree too.
>> I was wondering the earlier "Man" of the metch thing was a dig at Jenny or
>> a Joke.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>> Sorry Mr James,I whole heartedly selected Jenny as the person of the
>>> match,in solidarity to her.Sorry to say that you faied to score even one
>>> wicket!
>>>
>>> shahina
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/08, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That will be a fitting end.
>>>> Jenny won't agree though, because of her "prejudices".
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/10/22 Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>> So ,is it over friends?
>>>>> Anivar, Shall we announce Jenny 'MAN' of the match?
>>>>> shahina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/22/08, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for the admission :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are good jokes and bad jokes.
>>>>>>> I admit. Did I say I laugh at all the jokes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2008/10/22 ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana Chaula
>>>>>>>> became one among them
>>>>>>>> another joke!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, jenny rowena <
>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is a recently circulating joke -
>>>>>>>>> please do laugh, you can't live without laughing, can you??
>>>>>>>>> am going, have better things to do,
>>>>>>>>> bye !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Manmohan Singh said to George Bush - "We are sending Indians to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> moon next year".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bush - "Wow! How Many?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Manmohan Singh - "about 100 - and in the following order:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 25 - OBC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 25 - SC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 20 - ST
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5 - Handicapped
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5 - Sports Persons
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5 - Terrorist Affected
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5 - Kashmiri Migrants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 9 - Politicians
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and if possible
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1 - Astronaut*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM, James Michael <
>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the admission.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON
>>>>>>>>>>> I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE -
>>>>>>>>>>> I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>>>> jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, jenny rowena <
>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Afthab Ellath <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I don't agree with the idea there are only political
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jokes... There was a friend of mine in college, who made us laugh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he wanted irrespective of our political orientation... Those joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remained in us for long time as well... Even his laughter made us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afthab Ellath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Afthab Ellath <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poleesukaran is that kakki kuppayam for me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afthab Ellath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Shahina KK <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Afthab, so you are not disturbed by a 'pavam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policukaran' being laughed at? Dare you to replace him with DGP?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shahina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even as I agree with you. may I ask you a few doubts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us take any joke for that matter.. do you think it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only communicate one dimensionally through all generations? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example right now. what I mean a joke which served one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ideological
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose in one time may can have directly opposing purpose in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sense that one time power structure serving joke used in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different context may be challenging the power or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an example in this regard now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {I am reminded not of a joke. But a poem. Kuthirakumbo by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ayyappa Panicker. It was read by Harris as a politcal poem in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the emergency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context. Satchi mash reiterated this argument and Harris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself challenged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by reading it in altogether different dimension} .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( Jenny, I will be happy if you this time would not call my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrap as "academic poetry", Pls.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM, jenny rowena <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every joke, namboodiri, lower caste, or sexist has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological purpose..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the problem is not with joking, the problem is with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology associated with jokes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ideologically i stand against hegemonic power structures..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So i get lots of pleasure in making direct fun of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power structures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (without using subalterns as scape goats)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me say from my memory one joke, which always makes me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially in the context of what happens around.. in every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field, including academics..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *This is from a Mimicry program. Here a man is asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalabhavan Mani some questions in a job interview.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man: 1995 America Bahiraakashathekku oru pattiye vittu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athine patti ningalude abhipraayam??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (In 1995, America sent a dog to space, what do you think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalabhavan Mani: Pokkividaan aalundenkil ethu pattikkum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mukalil ethaam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (If there is someone to help you up, any dog can reach the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I think this is a very political joke and is against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dominant structures,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and does not hurt anyone but those who are in power...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't stop laughing when i hear such jokes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it helps me vent my anger too ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many feminist jokes like this too-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the point is not about joking, but about the purposes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a joke serves and who it hurts and uses...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are we going to say we need not think about this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then WHY do analysis, politics, cultural studies?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't we just sit back and relax in various pleasure domes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and keep on laughing even when the joke is on US???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Shahina KK <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shahina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a project one can analyze all the presently available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jokes and seek proscribing of all those caste-class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudiced jokes and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply a new collection of politically correct jokes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think as a model definitely Stalin must have done this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with Zhadanov..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The consequences of an innocuous joke like Long Live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trotsky was a disaster in post- soviet union invaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prague. I think every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one has read it!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or if this model is limiting, one can also look at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neo-peasantry model of POL POT where laughter itself was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically wrong!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James not onle our class caste.... there are many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when i come across a politically correct joke Ill post
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ok
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first try laughing at one's self... this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, "damodar prasad" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Is camera permitted inside Press Clubs.. I mean to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very politically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sensitive pictures of toothless but radical *Pambs*...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if with sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > bites. it would've been very interesting..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, James Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jokes are almost always about our class-caste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices. Can anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > suggest a politically correct joke please?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Or is it that people can't joke in this part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 2008/10/22 jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > exactly !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *when will we wake up to the class-caste prejudices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> embedded in our jokes, images and analysis ????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Anil Tharayath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varghese <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> The "page 3" ones who sits and drink scotches and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vomit in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> luxurious flushes is a luxury.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> The representation is pathetic. Devika please do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not translate and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> at all do not exhibit the photos please......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Oct 22, 12:32 pm, "ranju radha" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > there are some other kinds of "snakes" who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national claim to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > SNAKE. but those fotos may not be available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circulation. It would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > very kind to organise a national excibition once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE WE get those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> photos for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > circulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> James Michael
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> James Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
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