I think I already made a point: There can be different understandings about purple vs pink I like to add that there may even be certain understandings which seek absolute denial of the existence of purple. But the latter, I think, is not part of my contention. Nevertheless, it looks as if there could be only one way of understanding, when you remark "..still you refuse to understand purple.." I appreciate your need for polemic, and also welcome one that appeals a little more to reason. Furthermore, I wanted to take part in this discussion neither as someone who would take lessons of primer, nor as one who likes to push cooked-up ideas on others. Both yourself and myself are terribly mistaken,perhaps! This is a public discussion forum and I hope there will be many more discussions on the same topic.
Salam and best wishes, (Venu) On Aug 14, 4:25 pm, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > dear venu, > > still u refuse to understand the purple > thereby "the women of difference" > determinism can be seen in this line of thinking which majority of caste > hindu feminists possess. > this can be experienced at their reseourc centres, seminars, 25th womens > study celebrations, talks, lectures, films, reserach papers etc etc. > why WE refuse to see this? video links are secondary, though show the > extension of the same problm.. > i have no problm with different undersatndings > but those understandings that refuse to accept one;s very existence (that of > caste hindu PINK feminsts) would be challenged/questioned whehther one like > it or not... > > it is really like a think fog and the snake is not btn legs but inside > their heads... dangereous indeed.. > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:23 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Ranju, > > If you suggest that the difference between pink and purple is much > > about being able or not able to provide video links, I guess I agree. > > When it comes to Khairlanji or Chithralekha, there hasn't been that > > absolute dearth of media attention as you think. Apparently, some > > sections deliberately turned away,while others indeed came together > > and fought. > > But the chosen blindness of people to certain unpleasant things > > happening around is not necessarily because of their being purple or > > pink. It depends rather, on one's understanding of a problem in a > > different way from that of another. > > For example, as you understand the entire contradictions within > > womens issues as pink vs purple, I may be having another > > understanding. > > Therefore, when you say that I 'cannot understand purple because I'm > > pink' and you understand both purple and pink, I'm still having no > > problem. Because, the division of pink and purple in your > > understanding, is not as much important in mine; I do not mean to > > suggest that this division is altogether absent in my perception. > > Having struggled to stand up to the challenges of stereotyping of > > persons and thinking, > > I have much pleasure in refusing to buy your determinist line on pink > > and purple, though I still try to understand these in my own way. > > Incidentally, I am reminded of the famous answer offered by Alice > > Walker while replying to an accusation by sections of Blacks and anti- > > racist Whites. There was a controversy when a well meaning White woman > > challenged her novel being taught in schools one the ground of > > obscenity. Alice Walker narrated a young black girl's account of how > > she felt about being raped by a Black man. > > She imagined the rapist as "a frog with a snake between its legs!". > > The controversy arose on account of two things- > > 1. The narration contained obscenity > > 2. Portraying a A Black man raping a Black girl would only help > > strengthening existing stereotype in which black men are seen by > > Whites as rapists and criminals. > > > Alice Walker says this, in Living by the Word: > > > "..The committee, composed of all colours and both(if not more) > > sexes,...exonerated the book...Treating Mrs.Green and her objections > > with patience,understanding,tact,and even gentleness- for which, I was > > glad. > > For I feel I know what Mrs.Green was objecting to...because the > > language she found so offensive. They are the pages that describe > > brutal sexual violence done to a nearly illiterate black woman child, > > who often proceeds to write down what has happened to her in her own > > language., from her point of view. She does not find rape thrilling; > > she thinks the rapist looks like a frog with a snake between his > > legs.. how could this not be upsetting?How could anyone want to hear > > this?...I remember actually trying to censor this passage in Celie's > > voice as I wrote it.Even I found it almost impossible to let her say > > what had happened to her as she perceived it, without euphemizing it a > > little. And why? because once you strip away the lie that rape is > > pleasant, that ra[ists have anything at all attractive about them,that > > children are not permanently damaged by sexual pain,that violence done > > to them is washed away by fear,silence,and time,you are left with the > > positive horror of the lives of thousands of children (and who knows > > how many adults)-lives are beginning to hear about....who have been > > sexually abused and who have never been permitted their own language > > to tell about it. > > Celie's stepfather ,the rapist,warns her not to tell anybody but God > > about having been raped.But celie's community had already made sure > > she would not feel free even to use the words she knew.In her > > backward,turn-of-the-cantury community,the words "penis"and "vagina' > > did not exist... > > Of course if I had written of Celie's rape from the point of view of > > the rapist...very few people ..would have been offended.We have been > > brainwashed to identify with the person who receives pleasure, no > > matter how perverted; we are used to seeing rape from rapist's point > > of view..." > > > This has certainly influenced my understanding of the 'purple'. > > > [Sorry for my long quote of Alice Walker, which just occurred to my as > > so compelling, and only after I sat down to respond to your post.] > > > Best regards, > > (Venu) > > > On 13 Aug, 18:52, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > even video links wont available in the case of purple > > > > can u give a similar video link on caste terror against chitralekha or > > > khairlanji ? > > > > try to understand the question raised abt pink and purple. i know it is > > > quite difficult for u to udnerstand it... but nothing wrong in trying a > > > bit... this link shows that venu is more pink and would like not to > > address > > > purple..ideologically he is aginst purple... > > > our issue is different.. we dont hate pink, but we are with purple and > > > could not differentiate btn pink and saffron when it comes to moral > > policing > > > against purple > > > can u see purple? > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Plz view the link: > > > > Does it look more than just anti-'pink'? > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEbD2aXs-XU > > > > > On Aug 12, 7:18 am, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > the question that WE forgot to ask is (we often ask this question > > before > > > > > entering into commn with anyone) > > > > > vwhat is the caste of pink? > > > > > ideological indeed (and i hate those politically correct souls) > > > > > > advani got it clearly > > > > > venu seems confused (for him pink is purple).. > > > > > purple is not pink (not using pink for pub)..that doesnt mean that > > purple > > > > > will not go to pub... purple's position is differnt which pink cannot > > > > > see/imagine and respect. > > > > > > and one who fought against moral policing was a dalit woman whom WE > > all > > > > must > > > > > be knowng .. her name is chitralekha > > > > > pink does not address her.. she is not pink, she need not... hence > > the > > > > need > > > > > to talk abt different colours even in the context of moral policing.. > > > > > this does not undermine the relevanc of pink..it has its own role... > > but > > > > one > > > > > cannot stop there ..the whole "feminism" seems to hv been given a > > stop > > > > press > > > > > order (pink kanda feminism pole ennu VKN type mozhi) > > > > > ... womanisms will challenge it.. thta is how we make a better and > > > > colourful > > > > > world.. i love a colourful world.. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:25 AM, ranju radha <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > haha > > > > > > that is why i like politicians..nothing goes "above their head"... > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, ANIL THARAYATH < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> this went above my head will get back... > > > > > > >> On Aug 11, 4:04 pm, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > i admire Advani in this regard > > > > > >> > he understood the true politics and his vote bank in pink chaddi > > and > > > > > >> > immediately gave a statemnt in support > > > > > >> > that is why though i disagree with his political ideology, i am > > with > > > > him > > > > > >> > (politicians) > > > > > >> > in the sense, i respect politicians > > > > > >> > they know the pulse of the people and their > > ideological/political > > > > > >> position > > > > > > >> > intellectuals/academicns/activists should learn from > > politicians > > > > > >> > best > > > > > > >> > 2009/8/11 ANIL THARAYATH <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > > And I think that the identity of the group which initiated > > this > > > > was a > > > > > >> > > urban, english speaking group primarily to which the symbols > > of > > > > > >> > > resistance were a subjective part of their day to day lives. > > They > > > > have > > > > > >> > > not done anything on behalf of any one but acted on a specific > > > > > >> > > incident. Anyway would like to hear ranjit's views too (I > > would > > > > like > > > > > >> > > to position my self like this for the time being). > > > > > > >> > > On Aug 11, 1:31 pm, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > > > > >> > > > Thanks for this; > > > > > >> > > > I visited the blog and posted a comment somewhat like this > > > > though a > > > > > >> > > > few sentences are being added now: > > > > > > >> > > > That pink chaddi campaign had actually brought in to sharp > > focus > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > ugliest moral policing by a chauvinist Sri Ram Sene over > > women, > > > > > >> finds > > > > > >> > > > no mention in the post. > > > > > >> > > > The distinction you make between pink and purple makes no > > > > sense, > > > > > >> > > > especially when one finds that such sparing treatment was > > not > > > > > >> > > > available from the Muthalik Moral Brigade to purple women > > > > either. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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