dear venu, still u refuse to understand the purple thereby "the women of difference" determinism can be seen in this line of thinking which majority of caste hindu feminists possess. this can be experienced at their reseourc centres, seminars, 25th womens study celebrations, talks, lectures, films, reserach papers etc etc. why WE refuse to see this? video links are secondary, though show the extension of the same problm.. i have no problm with different undersatndings but those understandings that refuse to accept one;s very existence (that of caste hindu PINK feminsts) would be challenged/questioned whehther one like it or not...
it is really like a think fog and the snake is not btn legs but inside their heads... dangereous indeed.. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:23 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Ranju, > If you suggest that the difference between pink and purple is much > about being able or not able to provide video links, I guess I agree. > When it comes to Khairlanji or Chithralekha, there hasn't been that > absolute dearth of media attention as you think. Apparently, some > sections deliberately turned away,while others indeed came together > and fought. > But the chosen blindness of people to certain unpleasant things > happening around is not necessarily because of their being purple or > pink. It depends rather, on one's understanding of a problem in a > different way from that of another. > For example, as you understand the entire contradictions within > womens issues as pink vs purple, I may be having another > understanding. > Therefore, when you say that I 'cannot understand purple because I'm > pink' and you understand both purple and pink, I'm still having no > problem. Because, the division of pink and purple in your > understanding, is not as much important in mine; I do not mean to > suggest that this division is altogether absent in my perception. > Having struggled to stand up to the challenges of stereotyping of > persons and thinking, > I have much pleasure in refusing to buy your determinist line on pink > and purple, though I still try to understand these in my own way. > Incidentally, I am reminded of the famous answer offered by Alice > Walker while replying to an accusation by sections of Blacks and anti- > racist Whites. There was a controversy when a well meaning White woman > challenged her novel being taught in schools one the ground of > obscenity. Alice Walker narrated a young black girl's account of how > she felt about being raped by a Black man. > She imagined the rapist as "a frog with a snake between its legs!". > The controversy arose on account of two things- > 1. The narration contained obscenity > 2. Portraying a A Black man raping a Black girl would only help > strengthening existing stereotype in which black men are seen by > Whites as rapists and criminals. > > Alice Walker says this, in Living by the Word: > > "..The committee, composed of all colours and both(if not more) > sexes,...exonerated the book...Treating Mrs.Green and her objections > with patience,understanding,tact,and even gentleness- for which, I was > glad. > For I feel I know what Mrs.Green was objecting to...because the > language she found so offensive. They are the pages that describe > brutal sexual violence done to a nearly illiterate black woman child, > who often proceeds to write down what has happened to her in her own > language., from her point of view. She does not find rape thrilling; > she thinks the rapist looks like a frog with a snake between his > legs.. how could this not be upsetting?How could anyone want to hear > this?...I remember actually trying to censor this passage in Celie's > voice as I wrote it.Even I found it almost impossible to let her say > what had happened to her as she perceived it, without euphemizing it a > little. And why? because once you strip away the lie that rape is > pleasant, that ra[ists have anything at all attractive about them,that > children are not permanently damaged by sexual pain,that violence done > to them is washed away by fear,silence,and time,you are left with the > positive horror of the lives of thousands of children (and who knows > how many adults)-lives are beginning to hear about....who have been > sexually abused and who have never been permitted their own language > to tell about it. > Celie's stepfather ,the rapist,warns her not to tell anybody but God > about having been raped.But celie's community had already made sure > she would not feel free even to use the words she knew.In her > backward,turn-of-the-cantury community,the words "penis"and "vagina' > did not exist... > Of course if I had written of Celie's rape from the point of view of > the rapist...very few people ..would have been offended.We have been > brainwashed to identify with the person who receives pleasure, no > matter how perverted; we are used to seeing rape from rapist's point > of view..." > > This has certainly influenced my understanding of the 'purple'. > > [Sorry for my long quote of Alice Walker, which just occurred to my as > so compelling, and only after I sat down to respond to your post.] > > Best regards, > (Venu) > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Aug, 18:52, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > even video links wont available in the case of purple > > > > can u give a similar video link on caste terror against chitralekha or > > khairlanji ? > > > > try to understand the question raised abt pink and purple. i know it is > > quite difficult for u to udnerstand it... but nothing wrong in trying a > > bit... this link shows that venu is more pink and would like not to > address > > purple..ideologically he is aginst purple... > > our issue is different.. we dont hate pink, but we are with purple and > > could not differentiate btn pink and saffron when it comes to moral > policing > > against purple > > can u see purple? > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Plz view the link: > > > Does it look more than just anti-'pink'? > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEbD2aXs-XU > > > > > On Aug 12, 7:18 am, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > the question that WE forgot to ask is (we often ask this question > before > > > > entering into commn with anyone) > > > > vwhat is the caste of pink? > > > > ideological indeed (and i hate those politically correct souls) > > > > > > advani got it clearly > > > > venu seems confused (for him pink is purple).. > > > > purple is not pink (not using pink for pub)..that doesnt mean that > purple > > > > will not go to pub... purple's position is differnt which pink cannot > > > > see/imagine and respect. > > > > > > and one who fought against moral policing was a dalit woman whom WE > all > > > must > > > > be knowng .. her name is chitralekha > > > > pink does not address her.. she is not pink, she need not... hence > the > > > need > > > > to talk abt different colours even in the context of moral policing.. > > > > this does not undermine the relevanc of pink..it has its own role... > but > > > one > > > > cannot stop there ..the whole "feminism" seems to hv been given a > stop > > > press > > > > order (pink kanda feminism pole ennu VKN type mozhi) > > > > ... womanisms will challenge it.. thta is how we make a better and > > > colourful > > > > world.. i love a colourful world.. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:25 AM, ranju radha <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > haha > > > > > that is why i like politicians..nothing goes "above their head"... > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, ANIL THARAYATH < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> this went above my head will get back... > > > > > > >> On Aug 11, 4:04 pm, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > i admire Advani in this regard > > > > >> > he understood the true politics and his vote bank in pink chaddi > and > > > > >> > immediately gave a statemnt in support > > > > >> > that is why though i disagree with his political ideology, i am > with > > > him > > > > >> > (politicians) > > > > >> > in the sense, i respect politicians > > > > >> > they know the pulse of the people and their > ideological/political > > > > >> position > > > > > > >> > intellectuals/academicns/activists should learn from > politicians > > > > >> > best > > > > > > >> > 2009/8/11 ANIL THARAYATH <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > > And I think that the identity of the group which initiated > this > > > was a > > > > >> > > urban, english speaking group primarily to which the symbols > of > > > > >> > > resistance were a subjective part of their day to day lives. > They > > > have > > > > >> > > not done anything on behalf of any one but acted on a specific > > > > >> > > incident. Anyway would like to hear ranjit's views too (I > would > > > like > > > > >> > > to position my self like this for the time being). > > > > > > >> > > On Aug 11, 1:31 pm, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > > > >> > > > Thanks for this; > > > > >> > > > I visited the blog and posted a comment somewhat like this > > > though a > > > > >> > > > few sentences are being added now: > > > > > > >> > > > That pink chaddi campaign had actually brought in to sharp > focus > > > the > > > > >> > > > ugliest moral policing by a chauvinist Sri Ram Sene over > women, > > > > >> finds > > > > >> > > > no mention in the post. > > > > >> > > > The distinction you make between pink and purple makes no > > > sense, > > > > >> > > > especially when one finds that such sparing treatment was > not > > > > >> > > > available from the Muthalik Moral Brigade to purple women > > > either. > > > > >> > > > ( Lot of college going girls were harassed too, even > leading to > > > the > > > > >> > > > tragic suicide of one poor village girl from > > > > >> > > > the hill tracts of Dakshina Kannada district for having > been > > > seen > > > > >> > > > walking home with a Muslim friend as she got down from a bus > > > coming > > > > >> > > > from Mangalore, where she was studying..many many such > incidents > > > > >> > > > preceded the Mangalore 'pub attack') > > > > > > >> > > > Perhaps the reason why Nisha Susan and others opted for a > > > > >> provocative > > > > >> > > > but non violent campaign like Pink Chaddi which described > itself > > > as > > > > >> > > > 'as a consortium of pub going,loose women', might be looked > in > > > non- > > > > >> > > > partisan ways as well. The assumption here could be that > only > > > > >> "loose" > > > > >> > > > women could do something daring, and take the risk; "Loose" > > > perhaps > > > > >> > > > means and includes all who could condemn the cowardliness of > > > those > > > > >> who > > > > >> > > > speak in tongue- in cheek ways. For example, there are quite > a > > > lot > > > > >> of > > > > >> > > > apologists for Ram Sene. They will never publicly express > > > against > > > > >> > > > women's claim for equality, but will often take recourse to > the > > > > >> alibi > > > > >> > > > of tradition and culture. > > > > > > >> > > > You people try to bring the distinction (Pink vs Purple) > in > > > the > > > > >> > > > most inopportune way, as far as Pink Chaddi Campaign is > > > concerned.. > > > > >> > > > This is equivalent to saying in other ways that the attacks > by > > > Ram > > > > >> > > > Sene were even justifiable had they been directed only > against > > > the > > > > >> > > > 'Pink' culture (In the popular parlance, this is already > named > > > Pub > > > > >> > > > Culture), and hence, the non-pink women will have/have/ had > no > > > > >> issue > > > > >> > > > with the Ram Sene. > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > > > > >> > > > (Venu). > > > > > > >> > > > On 9 Aug, 17:18, Ranjit Ranjit <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > wonderful > > > > >> > > > > love it > > > > > > >> > > > > വെള്ളൈ അഴകേ, എന് ഉള്ളം > > > > >> > > > > ഉനക്കേ...< > > > > >>http://vellezhuthth.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post_07.html> > > > > >> > > > > < > > > > >http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QilWYA4A09o/SlN-j1-0aQI/AAAAAAAAAiU/bCeKpaI.. > .> > > > > > > >> > > > > പിങ്ക് ചഡ്ഡി പ്രചാരണപ്രവര്ത്തനത്തിന് നേതൃത്വം നല്കിയ > > > നിഷാസൂസന് > > > > >> > > > > പറഞ്ഞതുപോലെ പിങ്ക് സ്വകാര്യവും സ്വതന്ത്രവുമായ ഒരു > നിറമാണെന്ന് > > > > >> > > സമ്മതിച്ചാല് > > > > >> > > > > തന്നെ അത് പ്രതിനിധീകരിക്കുന്നത് മുഴുവന് സ്ത്രീകളെയുമാണോ > > > എന്നൊരു > > > > >> സംശയം > > > > >> > > > > കുറച്ചു കഴിഞ്ഞിട്ടാണ് തലയില് ‘അറുപതു വാട്ടുള്ള സൂര്യനായി’ > > > > >> കത്തിയത്. > > > > >> > > > > അപ്പോഴേയ്ക്കും കറുത്ത പെണ്ണിനെ പിങ്ക് ഒരു തരത്തിലും > > > > >> > > > > സൂചിപ്പിക്കുന്നില്ലെന്നും അവളുടെ നിറം വൈലറ്റാണെന്നും പറഞ്ഞ > > > ആലിസ് > > > > >> > > > > വാക്കറെപ്പറ്റി നിഖിലാഹെന്റി (പച്ചക്കുതിര) എഴുതിക്കളഞ്ഞു. > > > > >> ‘വുമണിസ’ത്തിന് > > > > >> > > > > മലയാളത്തില് വ്യാഖ്യാനങ്ങളും ഉണ്ടായി. ‘ഒരേ രക്തം’ > > > എന്നൊക്കെയാണല്ലോ > > > > >> > > ആലങ്കാരിക > > > > >> > > > > ഭാഷയില് നമ്മള് പറഞ്ഞു പഠിച്ചത് . എന്നിട്ടും > പെണ്ച്ചോരയ്ക്കു > > > > >> > > > > മാത്രമിങ്ങനെയുള്ള രണ്ടു വ്യാഖ്യാനഭേദങ്ങള് ആരെയാണ് > > > > >> > > > > ഇരുത്തിച്ചിന്തിപ്പിക്കാത്തത്? പിങ്കിന്റെ പ്രസാദാത്മകത്വവും > > > > >> വരേണ്യതയും > > > > >> > > > > നിഗൂഢതയും, ഇരുണ്ട തൊലിയില് ചതഞ്ഞ രക്തം നിറം > പിടിപ്പിക്കുന്ന > > > > >> > > നീലയ്ക്കില്ല. > > > > >> > > > > പ്രകടമായും ഞാറപ്പഴത്തിന്റെ വൈലറ്റ് വിഷാദാത്മകത്വത്തിന്റെ > > > നിറമാണ്. > > > > >> > > ലൈംഗികമായ > > > > >> > > > > നിഗൂഢത അതിലില്ല. മ്ലാനമുഖമുള്ള നോവാണ് അതിന്റെ > > > പ്രത്യക്ഷാനുഭവം.. > > > > > > >> > > > > An interesting post, athttp:// > > > > >> > > vellezhuthth.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post_07.html > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > >> > > > > Carmel Christy > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > >> > > > > Ranjit > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the > depressed > > > class > > > > >> > using a public tank not because they really believe that the > water > > > will > > > > >> be > > > > >> > thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are afraid of > > > losing > > > > >> > their superiority of caste and of equality being established > between > > > the > > > > >> > former and the latter. 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