@venu may be right and pink need not be alwys seen in opposite to purple by critically mapping pink one is trying to find an equal platform of respect for both such possibilities and understandings will be closed when one dismisses any attempt to criticise pink ur link seems to be such a thing for me i may be wrong..
let the disagreements stay best ;-)) On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think I already made a point: > There can be different understandings about purple vs pink > I like to add that there may even be certain understandings which > seek absolute denial of the existence of purple. > But the latter, I think, is not part of my contention. > Nevertheless, it looks as if there could be only one way of > understanding, when you remark "..still you refuse to understand > purple.." I appreciate your need for polemic, and also welcome one > that appeals a little more to reason. > Furthermore, I wanted to take part in this discussion neither as > someone who would take lessons of primer, nor as one who likes to push > cooked-up ideas on others. > Both yourself and myself are terribly mistaken,perhaps! > This is a public discussion forum and I hope there will be many more > discussions on the same topic. > > Salam and best wishes, > (Venu) > > > > > On Aug 14, 4:25 pm, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > dear venu, > > > > still u refuse to understand the purple > > thereby "the women of difference" > > determinism can be seen in this line of thinking which majority of caste > > hindu feminists possess. > > this can be experienced at their reseourc centres, seminars, 25th womens > > study celebrations, talks, lectures, films, reserach papers etc etc. > > why WE refuse to see this? video links are secondary, though show the > > extension of the same problm.. > > i have no problm with different undersatndings > > but those understandings that refuse to accept one;s very existence (that > of > > caste hindu PINK feminsts) would be challenged/questioned whehther one > like > > it or not... > > > > it is really like a think fog and the snake is not btn legs but inside > > their heads... dangereous indeed.. > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:23 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ranju, > > > If you suggest that the difference between pink and purple is much > > > about being able or not able to provide video links, I guess I agree. > > > When it comes to Khairlanji or Chithralekha, there hasn't been that > > > absolute dearth of media attention as you think. Apparently, some > > > sections deliberately turned away,while others indeed came together > > > and fought. > > > But the chosen blindness of people to certain unpleasant things > > > happening around is not necessarily because of their being purple or > > > pink. It depends rather, on one's understanding of a problem in a > > > different way from that of another. > > > For example, as you understand the entire contradictions within > > > womens issues as pink vs purple, I may be having another > > > understanding. > > > Therefore, when you say that I 'cannot understand purple because I'm > > > pink' and you understand both purple and pink, I'm still having no > > > problem. Because, the division of pink and purple in your > > > understanding, is not as much important in mine; I do not mean to > > > suggest that this division is altogether absent in my perception. > > > Having struggled to stand up to the challenges of stereotyping of > > > persons and thinking, > > > I have much pleasure in refusing to buy your determinist line on pink > > > and purple, though I still try to understand these in my own way. > > > Incidentally, I am reminded of the famous answer offered by Alice > > > Walker while replying to an accusation by sections of Blacks and anti- > > > racist Whites. There was a controversy when a well meaning White woman > > > challenged her novel being taught in schools one the ground of > > > obscenity. Alice Walker narrated a young black girl's account of how > > > she felt about being raped by a Black man. > > > She imagined the rapist as "a frog with a snake between its legs!". > > > The controversy arose on account of two things- > > > 1. The narration contained obscenity > > > 2. Portraying a A Black man raping a Black girl would only help > > > strengthening existing stereotype in which black men are seen by > > > Whites as rapists and criminals. > > > > > Alice Walker says this, in Living by the Word: > > > > > "..The committee, composed of all colours and both(if not more) > > > sexes,...exonerated the book...Treating Mrs.Green and her objections > > > with patience,understanding,tact,and even gentleness- for which, I was > > > glad. > > > For I feel I know what Mrs.Green was objecting to...because the > > > language she found so offensive. They are the pages that describe > > > brutal sexual violence done to a nearly illiterate black woman child, > > > who often proceeds to write down what has happened to her in her own > > > language., from her point of view. She does not find rape thrilling; > > > she thinks the rapist looks like a frog with a snake between his > > > legs.. how could this not be upsetting?How could anyone want to hear > > > this?...I remember actually trying to censor this passage in Celie's > > > voice as I wrote it.Even I found it almost impossible to let her say > > > what had happened to her as she perceived it, without euphemizing it a > > > little. And why? because once you strip away the lie that rape is > > > pleasant, that ra[ists have anything at all attractive about them,that > > > children are not permanently damaged by sexual pain,that violence done > > > to them is washed away by fear,silence,and time,you are left with the > > > positive horror of the lives of thousands of children (and who knows > > > how many adults)-lives are beginning to hear about....who have been > > > sexually abused and who have never been permitted their own language > > > to tell about it. > > > Celie's stepfather ,the rapist,warns her not to tell anybody but God > > > about having been raped.But celie's community had already made sure > > > she would not feel free even to use the words she knew.In her > > > backward,turn-of-the-cantury community,the words "penis"and "vagina' > > > did not exist... > > > Of course if I had written of Celie's rape from the point of view of > > > the rapist...very few people ..would have been offended.We have been > > > brainwashed to identify with the person who receives pleasure, no > > > matter how perverted; we are used to seeing rape from rapist's point > > > of view..." > > > > > This has certainly influenced my understanding of the 'purple'. > > > > > [Sorry for my long quote of Alice Walker, which just occurred to my as > > > so compelling, and only after I sat down to respond to your post.] > > > > > Best regards, > > > (Venu) > > > > > On 13 Aug, 18:52, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > even video links wont available in the case of purple > > > > > > can u give a similar video link on caste terror against chitralekha > or > > > > khairlanji ? > > > > > > try to understand the question raised abt pink and purple. i know it > is > > > > quite difficult for u to udnerstand it... but nothing wrong in trying > a > > > > bit... this link shows that venu is more pink and would like not to > > > address > > > > purple..ideologically he is aginst purple... > > > > our issue is different.. we dont hate pink, but we are with purple > and > > > > could not differentiate btn pink and saffron when it comes to moral > > > policing > > > > against purple > > > > can u see purple? > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM, venukm <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Plz view the link: > > > > > Does it look more than just anti-'pink'? > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEbD2aXs-XU > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 7:18 am, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > the question that WE forgot to ask is (we often ask this question > > > before > > > > > > entering into commn with anyone) > > > > > > vwhat is the caste of pink? > > > > > > ideological indeed (and i hate those politically correct souls) > > > > > > > > advani got it clearly > > > > > > venu seems confused (for him pink is purple).. > > > > > > purple is not pink (not using pink for pub)..that doesnt mean > that > > > purple > > > > > > will not go to pub... purple's position is differnt which pink > cannot > > > > > > see/imagine and respect. > > > > > > > > and one who fought against moral policing was a dalit woman whom > WE > > > all > > > > > must > > > > > > be knowng .. her name is chitralekha > > > > > > pink does not address her.. she is not pink, she need not... > hence > > > the > > > > > need > > > > > > to talk abt different colours even in the context of moral > policing.. > > > > > > this does not undermine the relevanc of pink..it has its own > role... > > > but > > > > > one > > > > > > cannot stop there ..the whole "feminism" seems to hv been given a > > > stop > > > > > press > > > > > > order (pink kanda feminism pole ennu VKN type mozhi) > > > > > > ... womanisms will challenge it.. thta is how we make a better > and > > > > > colourful > > > > > > world.. i love a colourful world.. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:25 AM, ranju radha < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > haha > > > > > > > that is why i like politicians..nothing goes "above their > head"... > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, ANIL THARAYATH < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> this went above my head will get back... > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 11, 4:04 pm, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > i admire Advani in this regard > > > > > > >> > he understood the true politics and his vote bank in pink > chaddi > > > and > > > > > > >> > immediately gave a statemnt in support > > > > > > >> > that is why though i disagree with his political ideology, i > am > > > with > > > > > him > > > > > > >> > (politicians) > > > > > > >> > in the sense, i respect politicians > > > > > > >> > they know the pulse of the people and their > > > ideological/political > > > > > > >> position > > > > > > > > >> > intellectuals/academicns/activists should learn from > > > politicians > > > > > > >> > best > > > > > > > > >> > 2009/8/11 ANIL THARAYATH <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> > > And I think that the identity of the group which initiated > > > this > > > > > was a > > > > > > >> > > urban, english speaking group primarily to which the > symbols > > > of > > > > > > >> > > resistance were a subjective part of their day to day > lives. > > > They > > > > > have > > > > > > >> > > not done anything on behalf of any one but acted on a > specific > > > > > > >> > > incident. Anyway would like to hear ranjit's views too (I > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > >> > > to position my self like this for the time being). > > > > > > > > >> > > On Aug 11, 1:31 pm, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks for this; > > > > > > >> > > > I visited the blog and posted a comment somewhat like > this > > > > > though a > > > > > > >> > > > few sentences are being added now: > > > > > > > > >> > > > That pink chaddi campaign had actually brought in to > sharp > > > focus > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > > > ugliest moral policing by a chauvinist Sri Ram Sene over > > > women, > > > > > > >> finds > > > > > > >> > > > no mention in the post. > > > > > > >> > > > The distinction you make between pink and purple makes > no > > > > > sense, > > > > > > >> > > > especially when one finds that such sparing treatment > was > > > not > > > > > > >> > > > available from the Muthalik Moral Brigade to purple > women > > > > > either. > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the depressed class using a public tank not because they really believe that the water will be thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are afraid of losing their superiority of caste and of equality being established between the former and the latter. 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