I think providing one form per neume is pretty reasonable for most purposes, though it might be useful to have hooks in the code to somehow indicate "alternate form", with the understanding that it would have to be added to the font as well
On 6/27/13 3:32 PM, Élie Roux wrote: > Dear Aaron, > >> To start, I entirely agree, adding Ben. neumes is WAY larger a project >> then adding St. Gall or Laon, and doing it as a seperate development >> effort seems entirely reasonable. > > Ok! I think it's good though to think about it from now on, in order to > define an input syntax that will be able to include it. > >> I would say, ignoring orthographical differences between manuscripts, > > Do you think it's reasonable to provide only one "orthograph" for the > neumes? Will users manage to get what they want? If it's the case then > it already simplifies a lot! Sister Maria, would this suit your needs too? > >> these would be the key Beneventan Neumes (consider this a rough draft, >> I'll try to get something better on the wiki) > > Oh, great, thank you! > >> 1 Note: 3 forms, no heights >> 2 note: >> 3 forms(2 forms of Pes, one of clivus), 4 intervals for each (I've >> never seen a neume with a larger jump then a fifth, so I'm using that as >> the max of an interval) > > These indications are really precious! > >> 3 note: >> Torculus: 1 form, 4*4 intervals (as much as a leap of a fifth to the >> second note, and then down as much as a fifth to the 3rd) >> porrectus: 2 forms (flat front line, angled front line), same 4*4 >> intervals >> climacus: 1 form (one shape for 3 notes) >> I'd say there are 4 forms each of the following ascending neumes > each of the following 4 neumes has 4 forms, so only 16 for these > Do you mean 4 different forms of each, each having 4*4 possibilities, or > just 4 different forms? > >> Scandicus >> Salicus >> quillisma >> pressus >> 4 note : >> climacus: 1 form > > Idem: just one form or 4*4*4 with the ambitus? The climacus, in my experience, is a very static shape, the steps are always single pitches so there aren't that many variations and no interval differences to worry about > > After some thoughts, it seems quite reasonable, thought drawing all > these glyphs would require a considerable amount of time, it's not a > real difficulty. > >> This is not exhaustive, there's no liquessence, which would add an order >> of magnitude > > It would be interesting to see which neumes have a liquescent form... > Also, did you count the episemus in your key neumes? It would take a scholar more familiar with the work then I, but I think nearly every neume has some sort of liquescent form. There are also looped forms of some notes, which are weird enough to have meaning, but I don't think we always know what. (see http://www.wiglaf.org/aaronm/travel/LondonRome2012/Organized/Manuscripts/tn/Benevento-Benevento%20Cathedral-9.jpg.html looking over "in me") On the other hand, I don't know of episemus in Beneventan notation > >> and none of the crazy compound neumes (see >> http://mt.wiglaf.org/aaronm/assets_c/2013/02/Cassino-Montecassino-Page%20of%20Tones0242-2419.html >> >> 6 lines from the bottom for some sample compound neumes) > > Yes, this is definitely crazy, for me the only way to get them is to > isolate pictures of all possible "crazy" neumes and make a database, > referencing all neumes of all manuscripts, with a number and then make > the users call these numbers. This wouldn't be too complex: since the > Paléographie Musicale has already a good bibliography, we would just > have to add a page on the wiki with a table containg a picture of the > neumes, the index in P.M.'s bibliography and the page number. Then users > would just fill the table with whatever they find, and draw the glyph in > the font. One thing that might help is that in my limited experience the truely bizarre neumes are NOT in the gregorian repertoire but in the Old Beneventan Chant. It would take some work with the facsimiles, but the actual set of all Beneventan Neumes used for gregorian chants might be somewhat smaller then all possible neumes. As for font design, I would say pick one manuscript and base on that, rather then trying to make an "ideal" font A > > What do you think? > > Thank you! -- _______________________________________________________ Aaron Macks([email protected]) [http://www.wiglaf.org/~aaronm ] My sheep has seven gall bladders, that makes me the King of the Universe! _______________________________________________ Gregorio-users mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users
