Don't get me wrong, but saying something like "I don't believe what you say"
to the one person on the team who has worked on Growl for the entire life of
the product is not a good way to continue this conversation sir. I do not
appreciate being called a liar. Let's keep emotion out of this Dick,
otherwise I'm apt to not want to work with you any longer if you continue
down this route.

That preference under the General tab says, explicitly, that after $n
seconds of inactivity, that Growl notifications will go sticky. This is true
for every notification style except for Nano, Music Video, and Bezel, since
those are queue'd. If you are not seeing this, you are either moving your
mouse, typing on your keyboard, or you are the only person I know of who has
reported this problem in 10.4.anything. To be clear, I have a 10.4 machine
that I can, and will test this on before Friday. I bet it works fine there.

If you even move your mouse in the slightest way, that tells the system that
you are not idle. If you graze your keyboard and it accidentally depresses
the rubber underneath, then that also will indicate to the system that it is
not idle.

In the future, please send separate issues like these in 2 threads, not a
single thread. You have two separate issues, the preference in the General
tab, and the preference in the Applications tab. I prefer to work on 2
issues in separate email threads, as I started yesterday. If you can report
separate issues like this in two new emails rather than a single email in
the future, that would actually be the preferred method, since it starts 2
threads on Google Groups, and makes it easier for people to find in the
future, so that their issues can be resolved without them having to start a
new thread, if they so prefer. We moved our entire email support
infrastructure to Google Groups because of searchability alone, and
submitting multiple items per email doesn't help when you are looking at
threads.

The screenshot you provide indicates that for Firefox, for the General
notification, that you are letting Firefox decide if notifications stay on
screen. Hence "The application decides". You need to change that if you want
Firefox to be sticky.

Sticky settings will leave the notifications on screen for the entire life
of the notification, until clicked on, or the X button is clicked.
Alternatively, if there are a large amount of notifications on screen, you
can Option+Click on a single notification's X, and all notifications on
screen will fade away.

If any of this is unclear, please reply. But please don't call me or anyone
else a liar when they are trying to help you. You don't understand this
product, that is our fault in that we don't document this well, but that's
something we're working on. I appreciate your patience, but you do need to
tone things down. We're not here to argue, we're here to help.

Chris



On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Dick Guertin <[email protected]>wrote:

> I don't believe what you say.  I'm running Growl 1.1.6 on Tiger 10.4.11,
> and I've attached a screenshot, assuming you meant me to navigate as
> follows:  System Preferences -> Growl -> Applications -> Firefox ->
> Notifications.  What you see is what was installed by Growl itself.  This is
> the "Notifications" pane for every Application in the list.  Back on the
> Main Pane, I have "Leave ..." set to 2-seconds, and the checkbox is checked,
> which means a checkmark appears in front of "Sticky Notifications" in the
> GrowlMenu (drop-down list from the menu icon).
>
> Every application that creates Notifications display them in the selected
> location (upper-right), and 5-seconds later they disappear by themselves.
> So, #1, they don't stay for 30-seconds, only 5-seconds, AND #2, Sticky
> Notifications doesn't appear to work because they my Main Pane settings are
> being ignored.  It is totally unclear the relationship between "Sticky
> Notifications" and "Application Decides".  I assumed, and expected, the Main
> Pane setting stating "Leave notifications on the screen after 2 seconds of
> inactivity" would override "Application Decides" if the time frame
> (2-seconds) is less than the application's time (which I can't see).  In
> other words, after 2-seconds, the Notification would STICK as long as the
> notification is still there (application didn't delete it).  But 5-seconds
> go by, and the notification is deleted.  What am I missing?
>
> Dickster
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Chris Forsythe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The default is 30 seconds I think for this setting. This is more for
>> people who want to walk away and not miss notifications. So the notification
>> will come up 30 seconds after idle starts occurring, and will stay on screen
>> until acknowledged.
>> Sticky doesn't have a time frame of how long to stay on screen, so once
>> sticky, it stays on screen until acknowledged.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:33 AM, Dick Guertin wrote:
>>
>> So you're saying I need to set it to 1-second to get it to persist?  And
>> after
>> 1-second, will it remain until I close it myself?  What's the default time
>> for
>> any notice to remain on the screen?
>>
>> Dickster
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Chris Forsythe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For the inactivity setting, that's how long before things start
>>> sticking. So for that 300, it'd be 5 minutes of no mouse, keyboard, or
>>> any other kind of input.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Dickster <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I read the Mark thread started by Martin S. Taylor (Sticky
>>> > Notifications: I'm confused), and wanted  to report that notifications
>>> > from Firefox, like "Cache Cleared", only stay on the screen for about
>>> > 5 to 10 seconds, and then automatically disappear.  This happens
>>> > regardless of the "Sticky Notifications" checkmark in the GrowlMenu,
>>> > which checks/unchecks "Leave notifications on screen after <n> seconds
>>> > of inactivity".  But with the checkmark, and the checked box, these
>>> > notifications from Firefox only stay a short period.  I have <n> set
>>> > at 300, or 5 minutes.  I expected notifications to stay 5 minutes, but
>>> > they don't REGARDLESS of the state of the Sticky Notifications
>>> > checkmark (linked to Leave... checkbox).
>>> >
>>> > How do I get notifications to stay for 5 minutes?  I'm confused.
>>> > (That now make two of us, Martin & me).
>>> >
>>> > Dickster
>>> >
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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