On 17 Aug 2006 at 8:14, Erik Holmes wrote: > 4e is just broken and has no flavor/style. Unless you just want to play > a really vanilla game like standard fantasy it's actually harder to use > then 3e was. In 3e you can pull out the supers book or psionics book, > pick what you want, and start playing. Now in 4e you have to find all of > the various advantages, try to modify them to be what you want (not what > the GURPS guys want you to have), then try to figure out some way to > afford a power that a mage can buy for under 10 points.
Assuming that the systems work the way you want and aren't just "what the GURPS guys want you to have. And magic works about the same as it always did. So do superpowers, but they are much better balanced and priced. > The whole system just seems broken to me now, Attributes cost too much > (they aren't even worth buying in most cases IMO). Skills are too cheap. > Magic is too powerful. Psionics is worthless and overpriced. And yet ST and HT are the same price or cheaper than they were, as are high levels of DX and IQ. Mental skills cost more than they previously did, not less, magic is about the same as it always was (barring some spell from the Grimoire that should've been nerfed in translation) as long as you keep Magery down to Magery-3 or less. Psionics now cost the same as any other power, and aren't massive underpriced in high point- value campaigns. > I once played in a 75 point game in 4e. I ended up with a character with > 10's in every stat but a 22 skill in Fencing. In a 75 point game, he was > pretty effective. And in 3e you could still get about Fencing-18, which would give a fencing parry of 12+PD. Pretty good in 3e. > I also played in a 200 point game. I ended up with a Mage with 10 > Magery, 15 IQ and all of the spells I wanted in the 20's. > > Again, 4e is just broken. And in 3e using extended Magery rules the 205 points you spent on IQ+Magery would buy IQ17 + Magery-7, which is only one point lower in terms of IQ+Magery, still lets you buy all spells at 20+ for one point, and makes your mental skills even cheaper. How is 4e more broken? Honestly, I don't see it. The one issue I can see you having that's real is that because all this is in the Basic Set there might be an expectation by the munchkins that this stuff is all available in a campaign. As this is no different from having to explain that your TL3 fantasy game doesn't allow AK-47s, it shouldn't be a big issue either. -- Rupert Boleyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _______________________________________________ GurpsNet-L mailing list <[email protected]> http://mail.sjgames.com/mailman/listinfo/gurpsnet-l
