Hi Joe, That is the bit I think is the most complex. You have to select a range just to go to a single date. Like using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.
All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Joe Lanier [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:56 To: [email protected]; 'Doug Geoffray' Cc: [email protected]; 'Sandra Fouts'; 'Chip Orange'; [email protected] Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar Hi, Did you, after doing an ins-c, tab once and choose an appointment range? By default, its by day. It has 6 choices(daily, work week, week, month and year). I think that is the key here. Regards.. Joe Lanier -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:49 PM To: Doug Geoffray Cc: [email protected]; 'Sandra Fouts'; 'Chip Orange'; [email protected] Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar sorry Doug. You don't know the answer to that. But I'll tell you. If i just bring the windows-eyes calendar, it tells me appointments zero, and I know it is wrong. I half! half! to bring up the outlook calendar in order to get the "correct!!" information!, that has been put into it by others!, not myself!! We may have six people out today! the window-eyes calendar will "not!" tell met that!, unless I read it the other way first and make sure I don't close outlook. As soon as I do and try the window-eyes again, it tells me "zero"! I don't need a separate calendar! I need to enhance what is there! Put by others. Not, myself. Besides, isn't that a screen reader should be doing? enhancing what you have? I need ti for my job. Don't mean to sound harsh. But hope this explains it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Geoffray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; "'Sandra Fouts'" <[email protected]>; "'Chip Orange'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar > Sandra, > > Again, if you are happy with what you know then there is no reason to > change. You are so used to using your current interface I feel > anything different won't be easy for you. From what you describe you > are trying to use both the Outlook interface and the Window-Eyes > interface as if they are one. We didn't create our interface that way > and it shouldn't be used that way. Our interface is to replace > Outlook's, not enhance it. So my first question is why are you using > Outlook to find something and then bring up our dialog to read about > it. Why not just use our dialog from the beginning...but I already > know the answer to that as you have stated it many times. That being > you are comfortable with what you have been doing for many years. > > Regards, > Doug > > [email protected] wrote: >> Hi Doug. This is Sandra Fouts, at home. I wish the window-eyes >> calendar would do things automatically instead of acting like a separate. >> calendar. For example: If I'm in the outlook calendar and look >> ahead at something and can't read all of what is there, why can't >> insert C just take me to the date I'm already on instead of having >> to dosomething else. In other words, If i'm on another date other >> than today, when I do insert-C it takes me to days date instead of >> the date i'm on in the other calendar. Hope this makes since what >> I'm asking. Sorry to say, but I'm not real impressed with it. I can >> read something else with it that I couldn't read before. But I'm still not impressed with it. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Geoffray" >> <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Cc: "'Sandra Fouts'" <[email protected]>; "'Chip Orange'" >> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:02 AM >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >> >> >>> Steve, >>> >>> Actually you can do both things. First, if your regional settings >>> in the Regional and Language Options from the Windows control panel >>> is set to show the date as dd/mm/yy then you can enter that. Since >>> you live in the UK I'm assuming your Regional settings are set this >>> way so it will just work for you. In fact, when we show the date(s) >>> currently being displayed in the appointments lisview, the date(s) >>> are show in your regional format. >>> >>> As for the goto date, we don't have this as written. But we do have >>> the custom timespan. If you select custom then you can tab to the >>> start and end date. If you don't fill in the end date then we >>> assume the single day from the start date. So if I were viewing >>> some day but wanted to go to say January 5, 2009 I would press alt-s >>> (for the custom timespan), tab to start and type my date which in US >>> would be 1/5/09 or in the UK it would be 5/1/09. After typing the >>> date I could press alt-P to get to the appointments listview and >>> press f5 to refresh to my new appointments. So yes, not as quick as >>> alt-g date and enter but very close. Also, remember our custom >>> timespan allows for a range of any timespan which you can't even do with Outlook itself. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Doug >>> >>> Steve Nutt wrote: >>>> Hi Sandra, >>>> >>>> It's all in the Window-Eyes manual. Alt-X for next day, Alt-V for >>>> previous day, Alt-R for current. The only thing missing I believe >>>> in the WE interface is go to date. This would be nice. Say for >>>> example from the WE interfvace, it would be nice to hit Alt-G then >>>> type in a date in the format of your Windows language, in the UK >>>> today would be 24/01/09 and in the US, 01/24/09, the only country I >>>> know that does it upside down <Smile>. >>>> But in >>>> any event, I believe go to date is not there in the WE interface to >>>> the calendar. So you have to come out of it, go to a date with the >>>> Outlook calendar and then go back in. >>>> >>>> This would be a nice addition. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: >>>> Tuesday >>>> 13 January 2009 21:06 >>>> To: 'Doug Geoffray'; Chip Orange >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >>>> >>>> Okay. Insert-C will tell me what I want to know for today, but >>>> how do I go back a day or more? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sandra Fouts >>>> Phone Counselor >>>> Arkansas Attorney General's Office >>>> 323 Center Street, Ste 200 >>>> Little Rock, AR >>>> 501-371-2303 >>>> Fax 501-682-8118 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:55 PM >>>> To: Chip Orange >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >>>> >>>> Chip, >>>> >>>> I suggest you give the Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar feature (insert-c) >>>> a >>>> try. It is nothing like the native Outlook "active appointments" view. >>>> The >>>> native user interface (even when tried to make accessible as JAWS >>>> tried) >>>> just doesn't cut it from the keyboard. Outlook's native interface was >>>> designed for sighted users who can look at the entire view and use the >>>> mouse >>>> to click quickly to what they want with limited clumsy keyboard support >>>> added. This is why we didn't waste time in trying to make the native >>>> user >>>> interface accessible (which we easily could have done). Instead we >>>> designed >>>> a very powerful and blind friendly accessible dialog making it much >>>> more >>>> efficient for a blind user and even adding additional functionality >>>> that >>>> Outlook doesn't provide along the way. >>>> >>>> When you press insert-c, it will populate the listvew of appointments >>>> based >>>> on the radio button by Day, work week, week, month, year or custom. >>>> Note, >>>> this is already more powerful then the native Outlook user interface as >>>> you >>>> don't have this many options to view. The listview is much more >>>> efficient >>>> to navigate as well. The appointments which are used are based on the >>>> calendars you have selected in Outlook. So if you want three of your >>>> personal calendars and twenty other co-workers, you would simply select >>>> the >>>> calendars you want using the native Outlook interface as this part is >>>> very >>>> accessible. This is the same interface a sighted user would have to >>>> use to >>>> display the same calendars. Depending on the version of Outlook the >>>> procedure is slightly different. Then when you press insert-C, >>>> Window-Eyes >>>> looks to see what calendars you have selected and shows all the >>>> appointments >>>> from these calendars. You can easily determine which appointment came >>>> from >>>> which calendar from our dialog if you need to know this. >>>> >>>> I've only scratched the surface with our dialog but I hope this helps >>>> you to >>>> better understand the real power and potential from our dialog versus >>>> the >>>> keyboard clumsy Outlook interface. Our manual describes everything in >>>> much >>>> more detail if you are interested in more. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> Chip Orange wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry again John, my bad here. >>>> >>>> I had switched back to jaws (I have to because of problems >>>> where >>>> window >>>> eyes doesn't read office "intellisense" so I can't do my job >>>> using >>>> it), >>>> and so I didn't get the correct results from insert C. >>>> >>>> I see now you want the list view (this is virtually the same, >>>> in >>>> case >>>> you don't know this already, as the "active appointments" view >>>> available >>>> in outlook). >>>> >>>> So, one thing you could do is open the other person's calendar, >>>> and >>>> change the outlook view to be either "events" or "active >>>> appointments", >>>> which would give you this list format. >>>> >>>> That's the only way I see for you to handle this; however, GW >>>> could >>>> now >>>> easily implement this command as a script (and perhaps >>>> eliminate >>>> their >>>> com add-in for outlook). They could give you the info from the >>>> currently displayed calendar, rather than the default one for >>>> your >>>> account, which when I tried it is what they're doing. >>>> >>>> That is, even though I had someone else's calendar displayed, >>>> the >>>> insert >>>> C command gave me the info from mine. >>>> >>>> This should be easily scripted, so if you're into scripts at >>>> all you >>>> could do this yourself right now. >>>> >>>> hth, >>>> >>>> Chip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Chip Orange >>>> Database Administrator >>>> Florida Public Service Commission >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> (850) 413-6314 >>>> >>>> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do >>>> not >>>> necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service >>>> Commission.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:22 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> I'm sorry, but I *still* don't understand your question >>>> then? >>>> >>>> If you need to see someone else's calendar in outlook, >>>> you >>>> would follow >>>> the steps I mentioned, then use the window eyes >>>> calendar >>>> view you >>>> mentioned to give you the view of the calendar you >>>> wanted. >>>> >>>> BTW, the command insert plus C gives me the error >>>> message >>>> "word not >>>> found" in outlook 2003. >>>> >>>> I don't know what this command normally does, does it >>>> open >>>> the outlook >>>> calendar folder for you, saving you the trouble of >>>> using the >>>> outlook >>>> command control-2? >>>> >>>> Chip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Chip Orange >>>> Database Administrator >>>> Florida Public Service Commission >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> (850) 413-6314 >>>> >>>> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author >>>> and >>>> do not >>>> necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service >>>> Commission.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Farley, John [OS-IE] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:42 AM >>>> To: Chip Orange; [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >>>> >>>> Thanks for this Cjhip, but it did not answer my >>>> question. >>>> >>>> I believe you have described the "native" >>>> Outlook >>>> facility. >>>> >>>> I was look for a way of using the Window-Eyes >>>> calendar view >>>> >>>> >>>> which you >>>> >>>> >>>> initiate with <insert>c >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, John. >>>> >>>> John Farley >>>> ************************************************************** >>>> ********* >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Chip >>>> Orange >>>> Sent: 13 January 2009 14:36 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >>>> >>>> Well, first, the other people in question must >>>> give >>>> you permision >>>> through the outlook options, the "delegates" >>>> tab. >>>> >>>> Once they've done this, you can see their >>>> entire >>>> calendar via >>>> the "file >>>> | open" menu choices. >>>> >>>> Or, you can see their calendar indirectly via >>>> trying >>>> to schedule a >>>> meeting and including them. it will tell you >>>> if >>>> they're >>>> >>>> >>>> free or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> hth, >>>> >>>> Chip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Chip Orange >>>> Database Administrator >>>> Florida Public Service Commission >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> (850) 413-6314 >>>> >>>> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of >>>> the >>>> author and do not >>>> necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public >>>> Service Commission.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Farley, John [OS-IE] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:25 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar >>>> >>>> The facility that WE gives of an easy >>>> view >>>> of the Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> calendar is >>>> >>>> >>>> very useful and easy to use. >>>> >>>> It would be better if I were able to >>>> look at >>>> other people's >>>> >>>> >>>> calendars >>>> >>>> >>>> as well as my own. 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