Hi Doug. This is Sandra Fouts, at home. I wish the window-eyes calendar would do things automatically instead of acting like a separate. calendar. For example: If I'm in the outlook calendar and look ahead at something and can't read all of what is there, why can't insert C just take me to the date I'm already on instead of having to dosomething else. In other words, If i'm on another date other than today, when I do insert-C it takes me to days date instead of the date i'm on in the other calendar. Hope this makes since what I'm asking. Sorry to say, but I'm not real impressed with it. I can read something else with it that I couldn't read before. But I'm still not impressed with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Geoffray" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: "'Sandra Fouts'" <[email protected]>; "'Chip Orange'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar


Steve,

Actually you can do both things. First, if your regional settings in the Regional and Language Options from the Windows control panel is set to show the date as dd/mm/yy then you can enter that. Since you live in the UK I'm assuming your Regional settings are set this way so it will just work for you. In fact, when we show the date(s) currently being displayed in the appointments lisview, the date(s) are show in your regional format.

As for the goto date, we don't have this as written. But we do have the custom timespan. If you select custom then you can tab to the start and end date. If you don't fill in the end date then we assume the single day from the start date. So if I were viewing some day but wanted to go to say January 5, 2009 I would press alt-s (for the custom timespan), tab to start and type my date which in US would be 1/5/09 or in the UK it would be 5/1/09. After typing the date I could press alt-P to get to the appointments listview and press f5 to refresh to my new appointments. So yes, not as quick as alt-g date and enter but very close. Also, remember our custom timespan allows for a range of any timespan which you can't even do with Outlook itself.

Regards,
Doug

Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Sandra,

It's all in the Window-Eyes manual. Alt-X for next day, Alt-V for previous
day, Alt-R for current.  The only thing missing I believe in the WE
interface is go to date. This would be nice. Say for example from the WE interfvace, it would be nice to hit Alt-G then type in a date in the format of your Windows language, in the UK today would be 24/01/09 and in the US, 01/24/09, the only country I know that does it upside down <Smile>. But in
any event, I believe go to date is not there in the WE interface to the
calendar.  So you have to come out of it, go to a date with the Outlook
calendar and then go back in.

This would be a nice addition.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday 13 January 2009 21:06
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; Chip Orange
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar

Okay. Insert-C will tell me what I want to know for today, but how do I go
back a day or more?


Sandra Fouts
Phone Counselor
Arkansas Attorney General's Office
323 Center Street, Ste 200
Little Rock, AR
501-371-2303
Fax 501-682-8118

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: Chip Orange
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar

Chip,

I suggest you give the Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar feature (insert-c) a
try. It is nothing like the native Outlook "active appointments" view. The
native user interface (even when tried to make accessible as JAWS tried)
just doesn't cut it from the keyboard.  Outlook's native interface was
designed for sighted users who can look at the entire view and use the mouse
to click quickly to what they want with limited clumsy keyboard support
added. This is why we didn't waste time in trying to make the native user interface accessible (which we easily could have done). Instead we designed
a very powerful and blind friendly accessible dialog making it much more
efficient for a blind user and even adding additional functionality that
Outlook doesn't provide along the way.

When you press insert-c, it will populate the listvew of appointments based on the radio button by Day, work week, week, month, year or custom. Note, this is already more powerful then the native Outlook user interface as you don't have this many options to view. The listview is much more efficient
to navigate as well.  The appointments which are used are based on the
calendars you have selected in Outlook.  So if you want three of your
personal calendars and twenty other co-workers, you would simply select the calendars you want using the native Outlook interface as this part is very accessible. This is the same interface a sighted user would have to use to
display the same calendars.  Depending on the version of Outlook the
procedure is slightly different. Then when you press insert-C, Window-Eyes looks to see what calendars you have selected and shows all the appointments from these calendars. You can easily determine which appointment came from
which calendar from our dialog if you need to know this.

I've only scratched the surface with our dialog but I hope this helps you to
better understand the real power and potential from our dialog versus the
keyboard clumsy Outlook interface. Our manual describes everything in much
more detail if you are interested in more.

Regards,
Doug

Chip Orange wrote:

        Sorry again John, my bad here.

        I had switched back to jaws (I have to because of problems where
window
eyes doesn't read office "intellisense" so I can't do my job using
it),
        and so I didn't get the correct results from insert C.

        I see now you want the list view (this is virtually the same, in
case
        you don't know this already, as the "active appointments" view
available
        in outlook).

So, one thing you could do is open the other person's calendar, and
        change the outlook view to be either "events" or "active
appointments",
        which would give you this list format.

That's the only way I see for you to handle this; however, GW could
now
        easily implement this command as a script (and perhaps eliminate
their
        com add-in for outlook).  They could give you the info from the
currently displayed calendar, rather than the default one for your
        account, which when I tried it is what they're doing.

        That is, even though I had someone else's calendar displayed, the
insert
        C command gave me the info from mine.

This should be easily scripted, so if you're into scripts at all you
        could do this yourself right now.

        hth,

        Chip






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        Florida Public Service Commission

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                -----Original Message-----
                From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
                Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:22 PM
                To: [email protected]
                Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar

                John,

                I'm sorry, but I *still* don't understand your question
then?

If you need to see someone else's calendar in outlook, you
                would follow
                the steps I mentioned, then use the window eyes calendar
view you
mentioned to give you the view of the calendar you wanted.

                BTW, the command insert plus C gives me the error message
"word not
                found" in outlook 2003.

I don't know what this command normally does, does it open
the outlook
calendar folder for you, saving you the trouble of using the
outlook
                command control-2?

                Chip




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                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Farley, John [OS-IE]
[mailto:[email protected]]
                        Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:42 AM
                        To: Chip Orange; [email protected]
                        Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar

                        Thanks for this Cjhip, but it did not answer my
question.

                        I believe you have described the "native" Outlook
facility.

                        I was look for a way of using the Window-Eyes
calendar view


                which you


                        initiate with <insert>c

                        Thanks.




                        Regards, John.

                        John Farley
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                        -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Chip
                        Orange
                        Sent: 13 January 2009 14:36
                        To: [email protected]
                        Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar

Well, first, the other people in question must give
you permision
                        through the outlook options, the "delegates" tab.

                        Once they've done this, you can see their entire
calendar via
                        the "file
                        | open" menu choices.

Or, you can see their calendar indirectly via trying
to schedule a
                        meeting and including them.  it will tell you if
they're


                free or not.


                        hth,

                        Chip






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                        Database Administrator
                        Florida Public Service Commission

                        [email protected]
                        (850) 413-6314

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author and do not
                        necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public
Service Commission.)




                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: Farley, John [OS-IE]
[mailto:[email protected]]
                                Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:25 AM
                                To: [email protected]
                                Subject: Window-Eyes Outlook Calendar

The facility that WE gives of an easy view
of the Outlook


                        calendar is


                                very useful and easy to use.

It would be better if I were able to look at
other people's


                        calendars


as well as my own. Outlook itself does allow
this.

                                Can it be done, and is so, how please?

                                Thanks in advance.



                                Regards, John.

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