Will this is a good idea in theory.  However I have observed in practice
that does not work all that well.  Perhaps the best thing to do as I said
previously.  Is to  have commands that relate specifically to the buffer
that do not interfere with the actual browser behavior.  
Kind of like the commands we have that relate to the mouse cursor or the
insertion pointer.  So for example you can press capslock+h to move to the
next heading or shift capslock+H. to move to the previous heading, while
pressing the letter H. will do just that in the browser press the letter H.
So this way there is no confusion as to whether the browse mode is on or
off, and there is nothing to toggle on or off.  This would also mean that
you actually have to press caps lock and arrow keys to move from line to
line character by character, word by word, but I do not think this would be
a major inconvenience insert arrow keys could be used to navigate from,
table row to row cell to cell
Having this type of dialogue now is very important, because our feedback
will probably give GW micro some idea how the remapped browse mode should
work
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:16 AM
To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Browse mode question

Yes.  I guess I wish it would be automatic and consistant.  So I wouldn't
need to do anything to it.


Sandra Fouts
Phone Counselor
Arkansas Attorney General's Office
323 Center Street, Ste 200
Little Rock, AR
501-371-2303
Fax 501-682-8118

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:53 AM
To: Sandra Fouts
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Browse mode question

I don't think we are disagreeing here.  I think it comes down to you want
brows mode but you want it to turn off and then back on when you need it to
without you having to think about it.   I myself would rather see brows mode
have its own set of commands so it does not in any way interferer or change
the way the browser works.  It would be like controlling the mouse.  I would
also like to see this extend to office programs as well.  So we could have
commands to move to heading forms etc without having to toggle a mode or
only having the list feature.  Another reason why we really need more
keyboard modifiers like caps lock scrolled lock and the efercheation between
left and right control alt keys and in  insert  keys.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:29 AM
To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'
Subject: RE: Browse mode question

Jim,  let's agree to disagree.  I just want to  worik.


Sandra Fouts
Phone Counselor
Arkansas Attorney General's Office
323 Center Street, Ste 200
Little Rock, AR
501-371-2303
Fax 501-682-8118

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:09 AM
To: Sandra Fouts
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Browse mode question

Now what you are talking about has nothing what so ever to do with brows
mode what you are talking about now has to do with the way pages are
created.
  Remember with brows mode turned off the browser has control over the tab
key and reports to window-eyes what the browser thinks needs to be read.
Here is what you do.  Use brows mode to move to the first form control.
Turn brows mode off enter the text.  Turn brows mode back on use brows mode
to move to  the next control turn brows mode off etc.  you can even use the
list controls feature to move to controls while in brows mode.  Place
markers can be used to mark spots of interest on pages etc.  while it might
be nice to have a automatic brows mode off and on feature on  controls so
far when using programs that have that feature it is more problems then it
is worth.
Errors.  I almost made them on Sunday.  Because I need to fill in edit boxes
but I couldn't read other things on the screen with it being turned off.  I
almost put in wrong information.  I'm having lots of problems with t here at
work but I only have 6.1 so I can't do much about that at this time.  Just
wish they get on with it and fix it!


Sandra Fouts
Phone Counselor
Arkansas Attorney General's Office
323 Center Street, Ste 200
Little Rock, AR
501-371-2303
Fax 501-682-8118

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Pietruk [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:24 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.
Cc: Sandra Fouts; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Browse mode question

Sandra

While I can appreciate your frustrations at times, I, like Jim, find browse
mode more of a blessing than a cursor.
The current functionality and flexibilities that browse mode allows makes
some of the inconveniences more than bearable.
Yes, you do occasionally loose info due to having to activate and
deactivate modes, but it also can save you        from making errors.
Something better may indded come along; but I am in no rush to see that just
for its own sake.






Just as obedience to the Lord is an indication of our love for him, so is it
also a proof of ourfear of God.
Jerry Bridges




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