Hi Tom,
I saw in a message from Mike at GW they are working on the problem with the
sets not sticking, so I'm pretty sure that problem will be gone soon.
Notice how the staff there are quiet today? I suspect they are about to
birth a new beta.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Kingston" <[email protected]>
To: "Steve Zielinski" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: 7.5 beta 1: Temporary loss of speech with eloquence when
working with app management area of control panel
I'm glad I was able to at least provide the root of the problem. But the
not saving of the braille setting perplexes me a bit. Just as with all the
other folks mentioning similar problems with settings not being saved or
randomly changing I haven't had any of these problems on my system.
Although this is new to the beta, the internal methods may have changed.
So, what the heck, here's another wild-shot at a possible cause.
I battled through the frustrations of a similar problem years ago wherein
changes to Window-Eyes, though saved, weren't always applied in real time.
The way in which I solved this ever since was to turn off write back
caching on the C-drive. This would cause your save to be stored in memory
and queued to be written to the physical drive when things slowed down.
Conversely, disabling it forced the set file to be written to disk
immediately. It may slow down your system a tad, but it will also prevent
you from losing cached data in the event of a crash or power outage; which
by the way, can be the cause of some serious problems under the right
circumstances. Interesting enough, some data intensive programs recommend
disabling it or just do it themselves. So it might be worth a shot. And
you can always turn it back on if it doesn't solve the problem and you
notice your system slowing down a bit. Here's how to do it in XP.
1. Open MyComputer from your desktop and select the C-drive.
2. Press the Applications key or right click on the C-drive.
3. Cursor up once to the bottom of the context menu and press Enter on
Properties. R should also activate Properties.
4. Within the Properties window, Shift-Tab out of the General Tab control,
cursor over to the Hardware tab control, and Tab once to the drive list.
Select the C-drive.
5. Tab down to the Properties button and press Enter, or, Alt-R to
activate.
6. Move to the Policies tab control in the next window and Tab down once.
This should land you on the "Write caching and safe removal, allow write
caching on the disk" checkbox. Uncheck it.
And finally, OK your way out of each layer and reboot your system.
Hth,
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zielinski" <[email protected]>
Hi Tom and gw staff,
OK, that gets us going somewhere. I did have braille set to on in core
functions, braille.
So I turned it off and saved to disk.
then when I go to app manager it reads the apps nicely enough, no speech
loss or stuttering of speech.
But when I leave app manager it turns out the braile under core
functions, is turned back on. And the problem of stuttering starts
again. This changed even though I saved the braille to off onto disk. I
know gw is working on the changing of settings of the control panel. I
hope when that is fixed, my problem will be fixed as well.
I can definately reproduce this problem and changing the braille to off
and making sure bbraille display is none in devices, braille, seems to
fix the problem.
Thanks
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Kingston" <[email protected]>
To: "Steve Zielinski" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: 7.5 beta 1: Temporary loss of speech with eloquence when
working with app management area of control panel
I'd also make sure that braille is off under General, Core Functions.
Hth,
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zielinski" <[email protected]>
To: "Chip Orange" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: 7.5 beta 1: Temporary loss of speech with eloquence when
working with app management area of control panel
I just checked for braille display and it says none. Right after that I
checked the app manager and this time lost speech right after entering
the list of apps. Had to hit escape twice to get back to your message.
Thanks for the idea though.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Chip Orange
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: 7.5 beta 1: Temporary loss of speech with eloquence when
working with app management area of control panel
Steve,
Is it possible that you are not using a braille display, but your
window-eyes is set for you to have one? I have seen a report like
yours, when window-eyes has braille turned on, but there is no braille
display; or maybe it was set for a braille display, but there was no
braille display installed. anyway, if you aren't using one, make sure
window-eyes is set for no braille.
hth,
Chip
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From: Steve Zielinski [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: 7.5 beta 1: Temporary loss of speech with eloquence when
working with app management area of control panel
Using window xp professional, service pack 3, 512m ram. This problem
doesn't happen with the dectalk 32 window-eyes synthesizer but does
happen with the eloquence that is tied into window-eyes, (using the Reed
voice).
When I go to the app menu, then right arrow on "app management", then
arrow down to "app manager", once I hear the first item, if I down arrow
to the next item, I get temporary loss of speech. It becomes choppy,
with a few phrases of the new item being read, a five or so second
pause, then a bit more of a phrase, etc. Sometimes the speech goes out
completely, especially if I downarrow through a number of lines in that
list of apps.
I get my speech back when I exit out of the control panel with the
escape a couple times. However, once I did hve to reboot by pressing
the power button for a second or so. That time, I had up and
downarrowed through a number of apps, and even after hitting escape a
few times, speech didn't return. I either wasn't patient enough to see
if it did come back or it truly was good and lost, which is why I
rebooted.
This is Not happening with the decktalk 32 windo-eyes synthesizer.
Nor does it happen with either synthesizer in the "add or remove apps"
area of the app management section of control panel.
Also, unrelated, I do sense a slight sluggishness while typing this
message. I used to think that the sluggishness that has been reported
was only happening in list boxes such as indexes of email messages, or
windows explorer, etc. But there is a very slight sluggishness while
writing as well, but much less than the earlier one dealing with list
boxes. I even notice when doing a ctrl-numpad-5 key to read current
line, that there is a very slight sluggishness, compared to version 7.2.
Same as I arrow through this message I'm writing.
I'm positing this will be resolved when the issue of listbox
sluggishness is handled. I'm assuming they are related, but have no
idea.
Thanks,
Steve
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