Doublas,
Do you really think I haven't tried all of that? The mouse keys don't
work for those links, not in Firefox. They do in IE, but that particular
problem has only ever appeared in Firefox. Google was an *example*. Yes,
you can use labs.google.com, but what am I supposed to do on Youtube? On
Paypal? Wikipedia or other Wikis? How about specialized pages that I
have to work with that have no alternative? I don't have the time to go
looking for workarounds anymore. It would be one thing if these were
general workarounds that all screen reader users needed to do, but
they're not, and when the choice is find a workaround for almost
everything I need to do or switch screen readers, it's not much of a
choice. I have used window-eyes for nearly 10 years, so please give me
credit that I've tried the obvious... over and over again. I like a lot
about Window-Eyes, but in the past few versions, the bugs have just
become more of a problem than the features can offset. I'll take a few
less bling and a bit more work, thanks.
On 6/12/2011 18:12, douglas rudolph wrote:
hey man, uhhh, i really don't know where to start. you don't know how
to work around these issues obviously, very simple fixes i might add..
your google problem use
labs.google.com/accible, or google.com/custom, and your links that
dont' show as links such as on facebook with the status, link, photo,
video, etc, use your mouse simulation keys... easy fix
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*Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:03 PM
*Subject:* A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes
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Hi
** Warning: Begin a sort of rant **
Unfortunately, the Firefox issues have been in Window-Eyes for
years. Essentially, dynamic content causes the entire page to be
refreshed. Google's edit field causes the page to change as you
type in order for it to suggest search results, and this triggers
window-eyes' page reload behavior. We have been promised a fix for
this for years and have never gotten it and, while I don't know
about anyone else, I'm losing my patience with window-eyes on the
web with Firefox in particular, but with IE as well. Window-Eyes'
support for Firefox is a joke. Standard elements such as onclicks
are not identified (most other screen readers call these
clickables), image links are not identified as links, reviewing
edited text doesn't work, the auto completion and history list in
the address bar do not work properly (they briefly flash in
Braille but never speak), flash within Firefox is not accessible,
mouseOvers and other dynamic content do not update the buffer or
when they do you are thrown to the top, and I could go on. These
are things we've been promised fixes for, and what do we get? New
whiz-bang features with old bugs. Internet Explorer 9 is not much
better (GW, did you even test IE9 at all?). Dynamic pages with
hidden elements are not properly rendered (the hidden elements are
shown when they should not be, have a look at Gmail or Google
Voice's pages for that one), There are random headings and lists
with 0 items inserted everywhere while real headings are not
identified (blindbargains.com for that last), entering text in
forms somehow fails to allow all typed characters through (I'm a
fast typist). Each and every one of these problems I've listed,
the free screen reader NVDA has overcome (most of these it never
exhibited at all). Jaws, that other screen reader, isn't far
behind and Baum's Cobra doesn't have these troubles either. Quite
frankly, given the importance of the internet, this is
unacceptable and, as a Window-Eyes customer for years, I feel more
than a little cheated. To GW: Don't follow FS down the path of
release release release but don't fix. I don't care if it takes
two years for a new version, as long as that new version of
Window-Eyes works to the best of your abilities. This is not the
best and, if you're going to brag about your IE9 support, you'd
better make blasted sure it works as advertised. The 7.5 release
only had one beta cycle. One. Let's look at this honestly for a
second, no marketing, no pr. What does 7.5 offer over 7.2 that is
worth paying $175 for? A new set file format? Not worth that much.
A few new scripting functions? Again, not worth that. Cascading
settings (a nice feature and long overdue, but worth $175?). A
rename of scripts to app (boy, that must've taken a lot of effort
there). Meanwhile, long standing bugs go unfixed, and the web is
just one area. I could go on but, these days, I'm not sure that GW
Micro really care. I can't tell off the top of my head exactly how
much I've put into window-eyes over the years since I've owned it,
and I'm now using NVDA instead because it's less buggy and
actually allows me to get real work done. That's just not
acceptable QA in my book, and I can't in good conscience put my
hard-earned cash behind a product with this many problems. I
apologize for the harshness, but I've reported many of these
within the past several years and have never seen one fix. Perhaps
a little harshness will get my point across a bit better. I leave
that up to you, GW Micro.
** end rant **
I've never seen the IE8 hanging issue but I'm well familiar with
the rest of the problems you're having. You're not alone.
On 6/12/2011 14:58, Cory Martin wrote:
Hello,
Just wanted to report a couple of issues that I've noticed
with Window Eyes with web browsing:
With Internet Explorer version 8:
Firstly there seem to be issues with Google, specifically
after doing a search, for some reason browse mode doesn't come
back on. It can be enabled with the usual command, however it's
the only site which doesn't seem to bring browse mode back on
after entering a search string.
More difficult to identify however is a strange issue which
seems to affect Internet Explorer where when the browser is first
opened it just hangs, yet opening a second instance of it may
work just fine. I've tried resetting it in the advanced tab
under internet options, as well as using C-Cleaner to remove
extra files, as well as clearing personal data. The issue
persists, yet with other screen readers it doesn't seem to
happen. This does not seem to be a problem with Firefox.
With Mozilla Firefox latest version:
I switched to Firefox full time after having the unsolvable
hanging problem with Internet Explorer. However with Firefox,
there seems to be issues with staying in forms for entering
text. For example if I'm trying to enter a word in to Google it
keeps dropping me back in to browse mode every time I press the
space bar. I've had to use notepad to type out my search string
and then paste it in to the browser. I'm not sure which is more
annoying.
With either browser:
When trying to arrow arrow around in edit boxes on web pages
in both Internet Explorer or Firefox, Window Eyes just makes a
ding sound when trying to review text entered. It is necessary
to drop back in to browse mode to review what's been entered and
then re-enter the edit box and re-position the cursor to where
one wants to correct something based on best guess, or by cutting
the text to notepad and editing it there.
Does anyone have any experience with these problems to either
confirm or deny them? Also and more importantly, does anyone
know of work-arounds to these issues?
Thanks,
Cory
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