hey man, uhhh, i really don't know where to start. you don't know how
to work around these issues obviously, very simple fixes i might
add.. your google problem use
labs.google.com/accible, or google.com/custom, and your links that
dont' show as links such as on facebook with the status, link, photo,
video, etc, use your mouse simulation keys... easy fix
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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jacob Schmude <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:03 PM
*Subject:* A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes
and Web Browsing)
Hi
** Warning: Begin a sort of rant **
Unfortunately, the Firefox issues have been in Window-Eyes for
years. Essentially, dynamic content causes the entire page to be
refreshed. Google's edit field causes the page to change as you
type in order for it to suggest search results, and this triggers
window-eyes' page reload behavior. We have been promised a fix
for this for years and have never gotten it and, while I don't
know about anyone else, I'm losing my patience with window-eyes
on the web with Firefox in particular, but with IE as well.
Window-Eyes' support for Firefox is a joke. Standard elements
such as onclicks are not identified (most other screen readers
call these clickables), image links are not identified as links,
reviewing edited text doesn't work, the auto completion and
history list in the address bar do not work properly (they
briefly flash in Braille but never speak), flash within Firefox
is not accessible, mouseOvers and other dynamic content do not
update the buffer or when they do you are thrown to the top, and
I could go on. These are things we've been promised fixes for,
and what do we get? New whiz-bang features with old bugs.
Internet Explorer 9 is not much better (GW, did you even test IE9
at all?). Dynamic pages with hidden elements are not properly
rendered (the hidden elements are shown when they should not be,
have a look at Gmail or Google Voice's pages for that one), There
are random headings and lists with 0 items inserted everywhere
while real headings are not identified (blindbargains.com for
that last), entering text in forms somehow fails to allow all
typed characters through (I'm a fast typist). Each and every one
of these problems I've listed, the free screen reader NVDA has
overcome (most of these it never exhibited at all). Jaws, that
other screen reader, isn't far behind and Baum's Cobra doesn't
have these troubles either. Quite frankly, given the importance
of the internet, this is unacceptable and, as a Window-Eyes
customer for years, I feel more than a little cheated. To GW:
Don't follow FS down the path of release release release but
don't fix. I don't care if it takes two years for a new version,
as long as that new version of Window-Eyes works to the best of
your abilities. This is not the best and, if you're going to brag
about your IE9 support, you'd better make blasted sure it works
as advertised. The 7.5 release only had one beta cycle. One.
Let's look at this honestly for a second, no marketing, no pr.
What does 7.5 offer over 7.2 that is worth paying $175 for? A new
set file format? Not worth that much. A few new scripting
functions? Again, not worth that. Cascading settings (a nice
feature and long overdue, but worth $175?). A rename of scripts
to app (boy, that must've taken a lot of effort there).
Meanwhile, long standing bugs go unfixed, and the web is just one
area. I could go on but, these days, I'm not sure that GW Micro
really care. I can't tell off the top of my head exactly how much
I've put into window-eyes over the years since I've owned it, and
I'm now using NVDA instead because it's less buggy and actually
allows me to get real work done. That's just not acceptable QA in
my book, and I can't in good conscience put my hard-earned cash
behind a product with this many problems. I apologize for the
harshness, but I've reported many of these within the past
several years and have never seen one fix. Perhaps a little
harshness will get my point across a bit better. I leave that up
to you, GW Micro.
** end rant **
I've never seen the IE8 hanging issue but I'm well familiar with
the rest of the problems you're having. You're not alone.
On 6/12/2011 14:58, Cory Martin wrote:
Hello,
Just wanted to report a couple of issues that I've noticed
with Window Eyes with web browsing:
With Internet Explorer version 8:
Firstly there seem to be issues with Google, specifically
after doing a search, for some reason browse mode doesn't come
back on. It can be enabled with the usual command, however it's
the only site which doesn't seem to bring browse mode back on
after entering a search string.
More difficult to identify however is a strange issue which
seems to affect Internet Explorer where when the browser is
first opened it just hangs, yet opening a second instance of it
may work just fine. I've tried resetting it in the advanced tab
under internet options, as well as using C-Cleaner to remove
extra files, as well as clearing personal data. The issue
persists, yet with other screen readers it doesn't seem to
happen. This does not seem to be a problem with Firefox.
With Mozilla Firefox latest version:
I switched to Firefox full time after having the unsolvable
hanging problem with Internet Explorer. However with Firefox,
there seems to be issues with staying in forms for entering
text. For example if I'm trying to enter a word in to Google it
keeps dropping me back in to browse mode every time I press the
space bar. I've had to use notepad to type out my search string
and then paste it in to the browser. I'm not sure which is more
annoying.
With either browser:
When trying to arrow arrow around in edit boxes on web pages
in both Internet Explorer or Firefox, Window Eyes just makes a
ding sound when trying to review text entered. It is necessary
to drop back in to browse mode to review what's been entered and
then re-enter the edit box and re-position the cursor to where
one wants to correct something based on best guess, or by
cutting the text to notepad and editing it there.
Does anyone have any experience with these problems to
either confirm or deny them? Also and more importantly, does
anyone know of work-arounds to these issues?
Thanks,
Cory
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