Hi Juan
Responses inline, I think that'll work best.
On 6/12/2011 20:47, Juan Gonzalez wrote:
I know that I will regret this, but you need to stop and think about
what you are saying. lets take apple as an example. there voice over
only provides speech for one browser. you have no choices. GW and
other windows screen readers are trying to give you choices so your
not stuck with one browser.
I completely agree with you here, and by all means don't regret pointing
out where you think I'm wrong. People rarely believe themselves to be
wrong, and I'm open to that possibility. You are right, 100%, about
providing choices. Window-Eyes, however, is far from the only Windows
screen reader to do this and a choice isn't much of a choice if only one
of the alternatives are actually working well enough. With NVDA, JAWS,
and Cobra to name three, both explorer and Firefox are equally viable.
NVDA is even working on giving us a third choice with Google Chrome,
though that needs a lot of work yet. With window-eyes, however, Firefox
is not viable on modern web pages. IE is less buggy with WE but it does
still have major issues which I've already outlined in a previous message.
GW is working hard to gives something that will work instead of
putting something that can support it and not work correctly.
This is the crux of the matter. I'm being told this but seeing zero,
repeat zero, evidence of a fix being implemented. The firefox troubles,
with version 4 and with 3.6 and 3.5 before it, have been there for
years. If GW are working hard to fix this, let's see some evidence. How
about some betas, test products, anything to prove it's not just words.
This is precisely the problem I'm having with GW and with Window-Eyes at
this point. Actions speak louder than words and at the moment, there are
no actions to back up GW's words.
do you want to use up all your free upgrades and then have them charge
for the real fix? I rather them come out with fixes and be free
upgrades but that is a different story. Just give them time and let
them do it right.
7.5, a paid upgrade, has come and gone and nothing. 7.0 and 6.0 before
that, all of which were paid, and nothing. Exactly how long does it
take them to give us something, at least a glimmer, of a real fix?
Almost every windows screen reader is ahead of GW here. It's not a
matter of waiting for them to do it right, but a matter of waiting for
them to do anything at all at this point. Honestly, it saddens me. I
remember when Window-Eyes was the best of its class in web browsing.
GW pioneered access to Firefox on Windows, not to mention access to
Adobe Reader, DHTML, and Flash. Where has that top notch web access
gone? Scripting is great, but all the scripting in the world won't
allow me to fix the web. GW has added feature after feature at the
expense of techniques and ideas they once pioneered. I'm sorry to see
this, I really am, but I need more than words from GW Micro at this
point to convince me that this situation will ever change.
I still don't think I'm wrong about this, but if you do, that's fine.
Everyone's opinions are different, and perhaps you are simply more
patient than I can be. My intent with this is to try and make GW realize
just how important the web is, and where WE currently lags. Discussion
is exactly what I was aiming for. <grin>
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