Interesting thought. And, in the older days, you could have got around like
that. I am running two HP models here, and have in general had good
experience with that brand. Tried an Acer for a few years, and had to
reinstall that system ever so often, besides having trouble with it in
several other ways.
Thing is, that now aday, a brand is no longer a brand. And a model, is no
longer a model. Going to HP's website, and looking on the specifications for
any of my laptops, it tells me that the model could come with either this or
that processor, have this brand, or the other, hard disk; and so forth. And
that is on one and same model.
Also, keep in mind, that very few - if any - computer manufacturer these
days, develop, produce and assemble their whole systems themselves. Buy a
computer from one brand, and a computer from the second brand. Chances are,
that they both have the motherboard from a third factory, or at least got
several of the electronic chips, from one and same place. Then, they will
add on a slightly different sound card, graphics card, and CD drive.
Even way back in the early 90s, when I was selling one brand of computers,
this was well known. Cannon, for one thing, released a small portable inkjet
printer, fairly priced. It soon grew somehow popular. Funny thing is, that
at least two other brands, came out with a printer - almost identical in
physical appearance, price and set of features. Was that a coincidence? Not
the least part of it. The fact was, that cannon mass-produced this printer,
with a different colored case, for both the other brands. Unless you knew
what to look out for, you wouldn't know the difference.
And, so, after all, recommending one brand - or even one model - is
impossible these days. besides, one person would highly recommend HP, since
he never had any trouble with his HP. The next one you ask, tells you that
she has had one HP in her life, and she would not even dream of casting her
eyes in that direction again. It is like asking people for a recommendation
on which car brand to buy, which ice cream is the best, or which color you
should use for your shoes next snowy day. sorry, but that is unfortunately
the case.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandra Fouts" <[email protected]>
To: "'Stephen Clower'" <[email protected]>
Cc: "'Chris Skarstad'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Well they wouldn't need to recommend just one brand. I would think try WE
on different brands. Just a thought. Besides it would help when buying a
new machine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Clower [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:08 AM
To: Sandra Fouts
Cc: 'Chris Skarstad'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Sandra,
The problem with recommending one brand over another is that new computer
models come out every few weeks. One make and model of a PC which might blow
the competition away in terms of stability and feature set one day may only
last for a few months. After that, the next iteration could be a complete
disaster. I know I personally have switched computer brands depending on
varying circumstances at the times I needed to replace a machine. One thing
which helps the majority of the time is to re-image any OEM computer you
purchase with a fresh, unmodified copy of Windows. The other participants in
this thread have mentioned the pre-installed junk which comes with these
machines. Not once have I ever seen any benefit from having this cruft
around, and often times this third-party software will severely impact the
machine's stability. Completely wiping the hard drive and starting from a
fresh copy of Windows along with any required hardware drivers will
drastically improve your overall PC experience. The brand and model of our
workstations is therefore not relevant as they have all had the fresh
Windows treatment and work very well for us.
Just some food for thought.
Steve
On 12/14/2011 10:52 AM, Sandra Fouts wrote:
So chris, what Kind do you have. Maybe if GW doesn't wantto tell us
exactly what to buy, they could at least share with us the brands they
use that they don't have problems with. I know they use to work with
Tisheba. I thought about getting that one or a Lynovo. The last time I
have a gateway, was on Windows 98 here at work. Since the3n we have had
dell here and I have a dell at home.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Whenever possible i steer clear of HP and even dell computers. You guys
would not believe all the crap they put on these machines when you first
buy them! popup adds, free offers, 30 day trials of antivirus software
that goes so deep in the registry that most people can ever completely
uninstall it, it's a mess. My girlfriend got a netbook recently and it
took me about 2 and a half hours to get rid of all the free junk they put
on it. So let's not blame all the problems on window-eyes. My advice is
to take a look at what programs are running and if you notice that wineyes
crashes when that program runs, the best solution is to get rid of said
program. There's no way on earth i can tell you what it is, but yes, hp
is the worst...I've also seen the audio service shut down for no reason.
it's nuts.
On 12/14/2011 10:06 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
HP, yeah, tell me about it. I work with an HP server sometimes, and it
has had it's share of problems including the audio service tanking for no
reason whatsoever.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:53 AM
To: 'Bryan Peterson'; 'Loy'; GW-info
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
I know that Johnye Pryor, who is on this list, was using an HP and she
just went back to a Dell. We use to always have more problems with
speech on HP computers here at work.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:49 AM
To: Sandra Fouts; 'Loy'; GW-info
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Well mine's a Toshiba and I only rarely have loss of speech problems.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandra Fouts"<[email protected]>
To: "'Loy'"<[email protected]>; "GW-info"<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Hey maybe we should look at this from another angle. For those that are
having the most problems what brand is the computer giving the most
problems. For example, isit HP, Dell, or what?
-----Original Message-----
From: Loy [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:22 PM
To: GW-info
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
I have to agree here,I am running WE 7.5.2 on three computers and are not
having any of the problems. One is a Dell XP, one a Compaq XP and a
Gateway laptop with Win 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas rudolph"<[email protected]>
To: "Chip Orange"<[email protected]> Cc:<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
yes, i would agree, i think it has more to do witht he machine then with
win eyes, i am running iwn eyes 7.0 on a dell xps xp desktop machine, no
problem, and 7.5.1, and 7.5 on a toshiba techra laptop, and hp persario,
and have absolutley no problems with the functionality of win eyes. i
would lean toward a potential restore of your machines, or, maybe its got
a hidden virus which i have had before.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Orange"<[email protected]>
To: "'Baracco, Andrew
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:14 PM
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Andy,
why do you think so few people seem to feel the way you do? Do you
think it possibly could be something on your pc? I'd say most of
the rest of us feel it's as stable as it ever was, and the benefits
of the scripting is just enormous.
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: Baracco, Andrew W [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
WE has become so unstable on the two machines that I have access to
that I have pretty much stopped using it. I just don't have the
time to keep rebooting and to jump through all the hoops, etc. Two
weeks ago I had an HD crash on this machine, and I haven't yet
bothered to reinstall WE on it. Perhaps I'll revisit it when a
major upgrade comes around. Personally, I think the problems began
with WE version 7.0 and the scripting capability. What we gained
from the scripts, or apps, as they're now called, we lost in
stability. WE can no longer lay claim to being rock solid.
Now, it's as flaky as a teen age girl.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony_C [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Chris Skarstad; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Hi,
I've already removed and reinstalled it two times.
T
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Hi. It sounds like an uninstall and a re-install might be in order
for you. WE is a great screen-reader but trust me, it's a walk in
the park compared to what I had to go through when I was using the
others...especially jfw. don't even get me started LOL! either
way, that's really my best suggestion.
On 12/13/2011 9:35 AM, Tony_C wrote:
Hi All,
Well since the release of 7.5.2 things are worse than ever.
I open an
email and W E just sits there and reads nothing. There is still a
problem with trying to edit a message that I'm composing in
WLM. Also,
now if I'm on a webpage and hit enter on an email link when
the blank
message comes up W E sees the To field as being empty..
However I did
verify through a sighted person that indeed the address was
in the To
field just that W E wouldn't read it. Now there is still
the problem
with spell check in word, which doesn't make sense because with
JFW and Nvda it works just fine. Why do we using W E have to do
all these
key strokes to use spell check when it has always been as simple
as tabbing once to the list of suggestions and arrowing to the one
of your choice and hitting enter. It still works that way with
the other two screen readers.
I've been a faitful W E user since 2003 and have recommended it to
many people. However now Im afraid that I can no longer do
so because
of the frustration that it causes. Unless some real fixes
take place
This will be the last version iof W E that I will be using.
It may be
$300 cheaper that it's major competitor but lack of ability
to use it
in an efficent manner out-weighs the cost.
Tony
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