Sorry I didn't send this to the list the first time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fairhurst" <[email protected]>
To: "Keith Barrett" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: window-eyes on the net, bit of a rant
I, too, am frustrated with internet issues such as continually refreshing
web pages, edit boxes not speaking, needing to refresh a page before it
loads at all, the mouse not routing correctly, etc. However, after hearing
some of you praise NVDA as if it was sent from God, I thought I would give
it a try. I can see using it on the internet and will give it a further
look. However, in my first attempt to use, it, I was disappointed. The
explanation of the object navigator is quite confusing, in fact, I'm not
sure what it is. As far as I know, mouse movement is quite limited, and
determining its position on the screen is cumbersome if not impossible.
The documentation regarding the system focus, system caret, and the mouse
again is hard to understand. I can't imagine using it with other products
like MS Word, Excell, etc. I found with RealPlayer, it reads very little.
If anyone wants to write off list, that would be fine. Having an
open-source screen reader is fine. However, in my first analysis, NVDA is
worth not much more than its price. At least with Window-Eyes, one can
move the mouse pointer freely around the screen and in many different
ways. There have been good strides with Microsoft products. I do realize
that with them, we take one step forward and one step back sometimes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Barrett" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: window-eyes on the net, bit of a rant
Can I start by saying I have been a window-eyes user since version 4.0
and up until version 6.x I found it more or less met all of my
requirements.
In recent times, however, I am having more and more issues when using the
net.
My main issues are, pages constantly reloading, regardless of the
autoload settings and links and onclicks seem often to be invisible to
window-eyes.
I find that now, in order to make full use of the internet, I have to use
nvda most of the time.
As my sma has no more upgrades left, I now have to decide whether to
renew it or donate the ammount I would have spent to nvda.
I am wondering how window-eyes can have, seemingly, fallen so far behind.
I know that there is the suggestion that window-eyes will perform better
in some applications and this may well be so but with the internet
playing such a huge parte in most people's lives, surely, this should
work.
Also, I believe that previously, as the readme states, window-eyes was
the most stable screenreader out there but this seems to have changed
since the introduction of scripting. I now have all scripting turned off
just to try and make window-eyes the most stable screenreader.
I do not usually send much to this list but I am really not sure that I
can consider spending any more on the product when there seem to be so
many issues on the internet.
I hope that for those of us who feel unable to continue with an sma at
present, there will be a chance to upgrade again at a reasonable cost if
window-eyes can return to the quality product that us old-time users are
used to.
Just thinking aloud and as a final thought, bearing in mind how far nvda
seems to have come in its short life, could it be time to consider making
window-eyes open source so that it can get the development it needs to
keep up with the changing technologies.
Hope noone has been offended by any of this but having spent the evening
trying to navigate my online banking site, I needed to let off some
steam.
Regards
Keith Barrett
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