I tend to agree with you, I've been using this computer for 10 years with XP 
Home and always have run the latest version of Window Eyes. I only install 
programs that I actually use and I always have done a clean install of the OS. 
I am not saying that Window Eyes is perfect, but when everyone was having the 
problem with WE loosing speech, I did not have the problems, and when all the 
problems with browse mode were being reported I was not having the problem. I 
can't explain it but that has been my experience. I browse the Internet every 
day and I can't remember IE 8 having the page reloading problem that is being 
reported now. Maybe I'm just not surfing the same sites. Hope GWMicro will be 
able to solve all these problems that are being reported.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Scherer" <[email protected]>
To: "Window-Eyes discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: window-eyes on the net, bit of a rant


In my opinion it seems to be more about the computer and what's on it than 
it is the screen reader.
Most computers come with so much junk on them and who knows what interaction 
everything will have with a screen reader.
My Linovo Laptop has all sorts of linovo stuff on it and I'm trying to 
decide if it'll be OK to just uninstall it.
It's not like the old days when you just got a computer and an install of 
Windows on it.
Just some thoughts.
Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Loy" <[email protected]>
To: "GW-info" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: window-eyes on the net, bit of a rant


Just to say I've been a user of WE since 4.11 and I am not having the 
problem you mentioned, pages reloading is not happening for me. I use WE on 
my Wells Fargo banking site and also on Bank of America and I am not having 
the problems you mentioned. WE is still the best screen reader for me.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chris hallsworth" <[email protected]>
To: "'G W Micro'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: window-eyes on the net, bit of a rant


Hi Keith and all.
I am in the same position as you except I never bought a SMA in the
first place and not sure if I will either unless the next major release
entices me to do so. I use NVDA nearly full time, and also have
Window-Eyes scripting turned off. I only bought Window-Eyes because of
the Remote Assistance feature, which I cannot use in the demo, fair
enough. So yes, unless the next major version is decent enough I can see
myself putting my money towards donating to NVDA.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 18/04/2012 21:38, Keith Barrett wrote:
> Can I start by saying I have been a window-eyes user since version 4.0
> and up until version 6.x I found it more or less met all of my
> requirements.
>
> In recent times, however, I am having more and more issues when using
> the net.
>
> My main issues are, pages constantly reloading, regardless of the
> autoload settings and links and onclicks seem often to be invisible to
> window-eyes.
>
> I find that now, in order to make full use of the internet, I have to
> use nvda most of the time.
>
> As my sma has no more upgrades left, I now have to decide whether to
> renew it or donate the ammount I would have spent to nvda.
>
> I am wondering how window-eyes can have, seemingly, fallen so far behind.
>
> I know that there is the suggestion that window-eyes will perform better
> in some applications and this may well be so but with the internet
> playing such a huge parte in most people's lives, surely, this should 
> work.
>
> Also, I believe that previously, as the readme states, window-eyes was
> the most stable screenreader out there but this seems to have changed
> since the introduction of scripting. I now have all scripting turned off
> just to try and make window-eyes the most stable screenreader.
>
> I do not usually send much to this list but I am really not sure that I
> can consider spending any more on the product when there seem to be so
> many issues on the internet.
>
> I hope that for those of us who feel unable to continue with an sma at
> present, there will be a chance to upgrade again at a reasonable cost if
> window-eyes can return to the quality product that us old-time users are
> used to.
>
> Just thinking aloud and as a final thought, bearing in mind how far nvda
> seems to have come in its short life, could it be time to consider
> making window-eyes open source so that it can get the development it
> needs to keep up with the changing technologies.
>
> Hope noone has been offended by any of this but having spent the evening
> trying to navigate my online banking site, I needed to let off some steam.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith Barrett
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