Hello You can control what window-eyes reads in brows mode from the window-eyes user interface under verbosity brows mode. Hth
Jim Grimsby JR. E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] Skype Jim.grimsby Twitter Jgrimsby -----Original Message----- From: Hettie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:13 AM To: 'Jim Grimsby JR. ' Subject: RE: WebAIM Survey on Screen Readers Hi Jim Where do I turn on the brows mode functions? Hettie -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:27 PM To: 'Yusuf' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: WebAIM Survey on Screen Readers Hi, This I can agree with that most of the brows mode options that are off buy default should be turned on. In fact one of the things I do when I first install window-eyes is turn all of the element's that can be reached with brows mode hot keys and a few others on like access keys. While I am not gw micro I can make a guess that a lot of these things were turned off to avoid overwhelming the new user and as users have need of these other feature they turn them on as they go. After they have read the documentation explaining what these features do and how they help you do what ever it is your trying to do. It was a good idea for the simple web. Now the simple web is a lot more complex and users are finding that they need these features almost right away and should not have to go in and fuss about turning things on. This I agree with. So the feed back to gw micro is not that they don't support x when they do. But the feedback is unless there is a real good reason to keep it off in the next version we want everything on. Jim Grimsby JR. E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] Skype Jim.grimsby Twitter Jgrimsby -----Original Message----- From: Yusuf [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:09 PM To: Jim Grimsby JR. Cc: 'Jared Smith'; [email protected] Subject: Re: WebAIM Survey on Screen Readers Jim, I think you've misunderstood. The problem that I and others have experienced is that when cursoring down the page the questions related to the radio buttons and check boxes aren't being read out. So, instead of getting a question followed by a series of check boxes, we're just seeing the check boxes. Activating field sets in the browse mode verbosity dialogue fixes this, but the question is why is something so basic not accessible without having to tweak something, that unless you know a lot about web sites and Window Eyes won't make any sense? I'd venture to suggest that one of the most basic things about using the internet is the ability to fill out information in a form. I'd still be interested in knowing what GWMicro have to say about this. I'd also still like to know why the form works properly with Fire Fox without making any changes to WE but doesn't with IE9. Yusuf On 03/05/2012 21:03, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote: > Ok let me understand this. They are turning off brows mode to move > threw radio buttons? If so why? Lets cover a few things. Filling > out a form. > Use brows mode to move to the form. Use e to move threw feeld sets. Etc. > when you get to a control such a a check box radio button you don't need > to leave brows mode. Simply check or uncheck it with the space bar. Only > turn brows mode off if you find a control that need direct interation > such as a combo box etc. when done with this control turn brows mode > on once again. Quite simple I am not saying that window-eyes doesn't > need some work on what is done when brows mode if turned off. It does. > How-ever it can be done if you know how to use your screen reader. > > > Jim Grimsby JR. > E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] > Skype Jim.grimsby > Twitter Jgrimsby > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jared Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: WebAIM Survey on Screen Readers > > Thank you for the feedback Jim. Some very good functionality described here. > However, the real benefit of fieldsets and legends are that they can > provide the description of a grouping of form controls when those form > controls are accessed directly. When you tab to a radio button in a > fieldset, the fieldset legend should be read. Window-Eyes does not > support this. All other screen readers do. > > You are correct that Window-Eyes users can navigate by fieldsets. They > can navigate by forms. And they can manually enter Browse mode and > find the fieldset legend themselves. But the fact that this vital > information is not presented in context with the grouped form controls > while navigating the form poses a distinct barrier to Window-Eyes users. > > I have now received 5 e-mails and several other survey comments from > Window-Eyes users who have had less-than-optimal experiences with our > fully standards compliant survey form. Users of other screen readers > have described it as "the most accessible survey I've ever taken." I'm > not trying to pick a fight, I'm simply suggesting that Window-Eyes > would provide a much more accessibility experience for its users if it > supported fieldset accessibility while navigating a form. > > Jared Smith > WebAIM.org > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > sender only. 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