Hi All, I have said nothing so far because I didn't want to make any thing worse.
I thank the GW staff for letting many of us vent, I am sure all the while taking notes about what we all want and need. I also want to say this: I am thankful that we have several screen reader options these days it's just fantastic. I am grateful that GW continues to work on things for us and find that even though some times they don't have the latest in everything they do have some of the best solutions available. They do have the best support in the business that's foresure. I hope that competition will take the day and we all get better access in the future. I also hope we can all remember to respect those who are trying to provide solutions And not attack them in our frustration. To me it's not one against another rather, it's all together what will help us do our jobs ... stay employed ... and generally get access improving lives for all of us everywhere. I for one will do all I can to support every solution that comes are way. Thanks for listening. Sam Bushman -----Original Message----- From: Dave Bahr [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:40 PM To: Chip Orange; [email protected] Subject: Re: The Silence is deafening Here Here! And There There! All of what Chip said is very relevant. But I gotta say, this topic should probably be let go offlist at this point because I feel like it's going to be the endless debate about which reader is better and why. That debate is perfectly fine and healthy, but perhaps not here? I put a question mark there to indicate that that's just my personal opinion. Yes, before you say it, I realize there is a delete button, yadayadayada. see my earlier message within this thread for my other thoughts. On 10/25/2014 11:46 AM, Chip Orange wrote: > Peter, > > Really, what would it matter to you if you have one SMA left, if a free > software package actually does all that you need, and also makes you > happier? > > As for why you lost your settings when applying an upgrade, I have no idea; > however, I do know there's a support center ready to help you figure that > out, and they'll take your phone calls or emails or even answer you on the > mailing lists. I was trying to point out that this is just one of the many > things which makes commercial software different from freeware. > > I told someone else in a private email that I did not mean to downplay > freeware efforts, they are a good thing; however, they are seldom the same > quality of product that commercial software is, and they usually have almost > no support. So, if you cannot afford any of the many ways which you can > purchase Window-Eyes, then yes, it's good we have NVDA as a choice; however, > when listing all the things a commercial screen reader does for you, a > freeware effort just isn't even in the same class of product. > > You don't even have to take my word for this; use your SMA on the next > release of Window-Eyes (after you have checked with support about what may > cause you to have lost your settings), and then tell me which one you > prefer. If it's really NVDA, then sell your copy of Window-Eyes; you could > make a little money and evidently you'd be just as happy. But I have real > doubts that anyone would pass up a commercial screen reader for a freeware > one. > > Chip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Beasley [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:19 AM > To: Chip Orange; [email protected] > Subject: Re: The Silence is deafening > > I don't have a braille display and I use IBM viavoice for my speach. NVDA > does everything that I require. As for why am I on this list, Because I > still have 1 SMA left. When I installed the last Window-eyes update, I lost > all of my settings. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chip Orange" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:08 AM > Subject: RE: The Silence is deafening > > >> Peter, >> Then I have to ask, why are you here on this list? >> >> Are you really using NVDA for all your screen reading? How's that working >> out (especially the support)? How's the quality of the speech and its >> responsiveness? How's the support of braille displays? >> >> Yes, everyone will have a backup (often NVDA) for situations where WE is >> having a problem, but that's usually all I've seen it used for. >> >> Chip >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Beasley [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 5:55 PM >> To: Sky Mundell; 'Chip Orange' >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: The Silence is deafening >> >> A lot of us now have moved to NVDA. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sky Mundell" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Chip Orange'" <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:31 PM >> Subject: RE: The Silence is deafening >> >> >>> Hi Chip, I have to agree with you. GW micro has the best tech support in >>> my >>> opinion, and they are very friendlier to work with in my opinion. What >>> most >>> people are fed up of is that organizations for the blind are not >>> embracing >>> Window-Eyes, preferring to stick with JAWS. As a result many people are >>> taught JAWS, and they stick with it for so long that they are so used to >>> it >>> and they can't or don't want to learn another one. But I do think that >>> these >>> agencies are recommending jaws, not for your benefits, but for their own, >>> in >>> my opinion. Also agencies do not know or realize that Window-Eyes can be >>> scripted. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:19 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: The Silence is deafening >>> >>> I'll answer from my customer point of view, and tell you what I am >>> seeing: >>> >>> * I'm seeing my copy of Window-Eyes is working, as well as it always has; >>> it >>> hasn't suddenly stopped working because they're doing something behind >>> the >>> scenes with a business reorganization (my employer by the way, seems to >>> go >>> through a major reorganization every two or three years; these aren't so >>> unusual). >>> * I still am getting support for my Window-Eyes. I send email questions, >>> and I get answers. I see updates to existing apps regularly being posted >>> (I >>> think I counted 7 updates in the last two months in a hurried little >>> survey >>> I just did as I answer this). >>> >>> So, in other words, things are pretty much going along as normal. We're >>> waiting for the next release (so we always are waiting for the next >>> release, >>> from the very first release); we're getting support, and they're working >>> on >>> the next release and the reorg both at the same time. What is it that >>> some >>> of you are so panicked about? What do you really think is going to >>> happen >>> as they merge two companies? Do you think all the web sites, mailing >>> lists, >>> product literature, etc. is just going to redesign itself? Everything >>> has >>> to be examined and redesigned, down to the phone system (I work in an IT >>> shop, and we have to support all this type of stuff, and we have to go >>> through all our company product and documents etc. every time we have a >>> reorg). It happens so often to us any more, and it's so much work, we're >>> now designing documents and checklists just for ourselves to tell us what >>> needs to be done, checked, etc. just for a reorg. They are tons of work. >>> >>> Actually, I don't see anything "reasonable" about this type of email at >>> all. >>> It doesn't say anything (other than "I'm in a hurry for the next >>> release", >>> which people are always saying). >>> >>> They will tell us what they can tell us, when they can say it. Until >>> then, >>> use the product (which you thought was just fine before you heard there >>> was >>> a merger), and continue to get your great customer support (which is >>> still >>> right where it was), and stop panicking people into thinking that the sky >>> is >>> falling. >>> >>> I used to be a jaws user years ago; I don't want to even think about >>> going >>> back, and there's no reason to; but these types of threads imply to >>> everyone >>> that soon we'll all have to (despite clear evidence that they're working >>> hard on the next release and combining two companies with great >>> products). >>> >>> Sorry if I don't buy into the panic, but I'm happy with my Window-eyes; >>> my >>> ability to easily write apps when I want it to do something it doesn't, >>> and >>> the friendly "real people" support I get when I have a problem. >>> >>> Chip Orange >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Reg Webb [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:06 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: The Silence is deafening >>> >>> They seem like thoroughly reasonable questions to me. >>> Would anyone care to answer then? >>> -- >>> Reg >>> <[email protected]> >>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender >>> only. 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