I wish I had been told about the $60.00, but as I said, I haven't even had the unit a year, it was never out of the case since day one, and the battery was inserted and never removed: The latch had to have been loose from the start, and with the case having been on the unit, I'm perplexed about a missing foot! We need to be advised as to what is not included in the first year warranty, and subsequent ones! My unit should be back next week! I should have been advised there would be labor and parts charges! I'm not upset at all, but what if I didn't have the $60.00? I'd not get a $6,000 unit returned to me? Well, I don't have the $60, but someone is paying the cost and I'm repaying that debt! I'm fortunate that someone is able to help me!
Hugs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010 18:36:25 Subject: Re: [GWN] frustrations about the Sense products > > > Hi all, > I had to have my syncbraille repaired. > It wasn't under warranty, so I knew I'd have to pay $45 plus the cost of > parts. I understood that I would recieve a call before repairs were made so > I would know the cost ahead of time and could make a decision as to whether > or not I'd have the repairs done. > This did not happen. I would have paid for them anyway, but I personally > feel that gw should not make any repair without contacting the customer > first. > What if the customer decided the cost beyond the $45 was just too much? > I use my syncbraille all the time so had no problem paying the repair but I > didn't like the fact that I was not told, your repair will cost xxx do you > want to pay this? > I believe that should be changed so that you receive notice of repair costs > and can ok them ahead of time. > As I said, I had no problem paying the amount, but I believe things should > be done differently. > > Have a blessed day, > Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley > Eagleville, Tennessee. > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sunshine" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GWN] frustrations about the Sense products > > > > I'd like to know what's covered under the one-year warranty with the BSP. > > I sent my notetaker in because the dot 2 didn't know. I had to pay for the > > replacement part. Secondly, they replaced the battery latch as it was > > loose and one of the feet on the bottom. I'm perplexed because I've only > > inserted the battery into the unit, and it wasn't my fault the dot 2 > > didn't work. The unit remained in the case from day one, so how could a > > foot be broken! So, even with the warranty, I have to pay $60.00 and > > wasn't told until after the unit was repaired! I'm paying it. I don't know > > what the warranty does for us? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Alex Hall <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010 15:51:10 > > Subject: Re: [GWN] frustrations about the Sense products > > > >ar > >ar > >ar I agree with most of what was said, especially that companies should > >ar be a lot more vocal about just what their products cannot do. When > >ar Humanware says the Braillenote can access wireless email, it is worth > >ar noting that it is a lot slower than even a similarly powered print > >ar PDA, that some network encryption is not supported, that, especially > >ar on the mPower, the email database tends to corrupt itself and you can > >ar lose all your email (it happened to me six times, and I now rely on > >ar GMail)... When GWM says their wordprocessor allows you to edit > >ar documents, they should come out and say that Word 2007 and later is > >ar not supported (I realize this will be fixed in the next version, but > >ar you get my point). These companies should make it clear that flash is > >ar not supported, and likely never will be, and should explain just what > >ar that means for the end user. I realize no one wants to read about what > >ar a product cannot do, but I think it is all too common to find > >ar literature about a product explaining all of its wonderful features > >ar without mentioning, even in small print, the drawbacks; those > >ar drawbacks could very well be the deciding factor as to whether a user > >ar buys a product or not, and, at these prices, the user should know > >ar everything they can without having to try to locate a user group and > >ar ask, "So I read all th... but what is the company not telling me?" > >ar > >ar Someone said the bn has updated with the times. I have to very > >ar strongly disagree. It is true that the Apex came out recently, while > >ar the BSP is the latest notetaker (not counting the forthcoming VSQGGF > >ar GWM. However, the BSP and Apex are well matched in features. Except > >ar for the price and physical size, they are very similar it just took > >ar hw longer to catch up. The Sense family still has MSN support (much > >ar more used than GoogleTalk or Jabber) as well as having multi-tasking, > >ar something HW has made no mention of. > >ar > >ar On 5/14/10, Colleen Roth <[email protected]> wrote: > >ar > Hi All, > >ar > I personally am very pleased with my Braille Sense Classic and Braille > >ar > Sense > >ar > Plus. > >ar > They do what I need them to do for me. > >ar > They do not require me to know a lot of things I would have to know if > >ar > I > >ar > used a Laptop or Netboook. > >ar > I for one would stop using email or the Internet if this was not > >ar > available > >ar > to me. > >ar > I have also used the Braille Note. > >ar > I can say that I have been very pleased with Gw Micro's Tech Support > >ar > and > >ar > answers on this list. > >ar > I would rather have a-pany do a good job with updates and have them > >ar > less > >ar > often. > >ar > If you are not pleased with your Braille Sense I suggest you check into > >ar > the > >ar > other products out there. > >ar > I am not saying it is perfect, I am saying that it is the best product > >ar > on > >ar > the Market in my opinion. > >ar > I did not like Keysoft and am glad for my Bs and BS PLUS. > >ar > Thanks Gw Micro and Hims. > >ar > > >ar > Colleen Roth > >ar > > >ar > > >ar > > >ar > > >ar > ----- Original Message ----- > >ar > From: "Edwards, Paul" <[email protected]> > >ar > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >ar > Date: 2010/05/14 19:32:06 > >ar > Subject: RE: [GWN] FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT THE Sense products > >ar > > >ar >ar > >ar >ar > >ar >ar I think it is important to acquire some perspective on this issue. I > >ar >do > >ar >ar not currently own a gps system and will therefore disqualify myself > >ar >from > >ar >ar that issue as uninformed. I have had and used a gps system with > >ar >braille > >ar >ar note products but that was several years ago also. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar I think there is room for blind people to be dissatisfied with > >ar >product > >ar >ar updating. However, I think that the dissatisfaction ought to apply > >ar >across > >ar >ar the board. I think it is worth noting that the sense products have > >ar >yet to > >ar >ar charge for upgrades. The Humanware folks certainly do charge for the > >ar >ar braille note family. I was disheartened to see that the introduction > >ar >of > >ar >ar the Apex did not seem to include many changes to the programs that > >ar >were > >ar >ar run. Sure, there is more memory and built-in wireless and blue > >ar >tooth. > >ar >ar But I think a lot of us thought that this major upgrade and its > >ar >attendant > >ar >ar price tag would have also included more changes. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar It is my belief that product developers have an obligation to update > >ar >ar frequently if that is necessary to maintain functionality and > >ar >ar competitiveness. I think there are some major issues in this area > >ar >that > >ar >ar the sense products have allowed themselves to fall behind the cure > >ar >on. > >ar >ar Shakespeare said that comparisons are odious and I have sympathy > >ar >with > >ar >ar that concept. Those who make and sell the Sense note takers have > >ar >made a > >ar >ar choice as to whether they were going to charge for upgrades. > >ar >Regardless > >ar >ar of the economics of that decision, I think there is no excuse for a > >ar >ar failure, by now, to support word 2007 files. I also do believe that > >ar >the > >ar >ar internet has changed enough over the past few years and the Sense > >ar >products > >ar >ar and the humanware note takers and perhaps even the Freedom Scientific > >ar >not > >ar >ar taker have all failed either to come up with solutions that make the > >ar >web > >ar >ar more accessible or to say up front that such access has serious > >ar >ar limitations. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar I absolutely concur with whoever said that mainstream products must > >ar >be > >ar >ar updated to be saleable and so they are changed whenever there is a > >ar >need. > >ar >ar I do not think that blindness products as a group perceive that they > >ar >have > >ar >ar the same level of obligation to those who have chosen their products. > >ar >I > >ar >ar think that it is a generalized disdain for blind owners expressed > >ar >through > >ar >ar a failure to change enough with the times that we need to deplore. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar I find myself wondering also if we are operating during a time of > >ar >ar transition where the relatively inexpensive net book and lap top are > >ar >ar making inroads into the viability of note takers. Could we be > >ar >approaching > >ar >ar a threshold below which change will not happen. Some of us lived > >ar >through > >ar >ar the decline and fall of the braille lite millennium and know only too > >ar >well > >ar >ar that, after a very short life, Freedom Scientific stopped upgrading > >ar >the > >ar >ar device. I own a millennium, a braille plus, and a voice sense and > >ar >have > >ar >ar owned braille notes as well. I think what frustrates all of us who > >ar >use > >ar >ar these devices is the fact that, if truth be told, none of these > >ar >devices is > >ar >ar as transparent to the internet or to email as computers are. Perhaps > >ar >this > >ar >ar is the price we have to pay for a braille display or a braille > >ar >keyboard > >ar >ar Perhaps, however, we have reached the point where we need to say > >ar >that, > >ar >ar given the fact that we could buy ten net books for every braille > >ar >sense we > >ar >ar might consider buying, we, or someone, is not getting enough return > >ar >on the > >ar >ar investment. In general, I hold the following truths to be > >ar >self-evident > >ar >ar and relevant. > >ar >ar We have a right not to be disadvantaged by products that we have paid > >ar >a > >ar >ar high premium for and such products need to be updated regularly, > >ar >whether > >ar >ar we are charged for those upgrades or not. Blind owners of technology > >ar >ar ought to have the same right to expect that their products can be > >ar >used > >ar >ar where they are designed to be used as do people without disabilities > >ar >who > >ar >ar purchase products that do the same tasks. Perhaps most important of > >ar >all > >ar >ar is my belief that vendors have an obligation to discuss the > >ar >limitations of > >ar >ar their products. Given the quantity of flash and java-enabled stuff > >ar >on the > >ar >ar net, for instance, I think that folks ought to know about the > >ar >limitations > >ar >ar of the note takers in terms of accessing sites that make widespread > >ar >use of > >ar >ar either of these technologies. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar It does not matter to me who paid for the products we own. I paid > >ar >for all > >ar >ar of mine myself with no support from my employer or the vr system. We > >ar >are > >ar >ar the end users of the technology and must be able to rely on it to do > >ar >what > >ar >ar we bought it to do. Somebody paid a lot of money for the access tech > >ar >ar products we have. Is it reasonable that we are on a declining spiral > >ar >of > >ar >ar usability as the net changes and our products do not? I understand > >ar >and, > >ar >ar to some degree, accept the argument about a small market. However, > >ar >we pay > >ar >ar a high price for these products which should take care of the > >ar >disincentive > >ar >ar to update. In some cases, we also pay for maintenance agreements for > >ar >ar which we sometimes get very little in return. I am not sure we are > >ar >yet at > >ar >ar the stage of "broadcast News" but I think that there is less and less > >ar >ar being done for these devices so they are all, to a greater or lesser > >ar >ar extent, causing us to be further and further behind our non-disabled > >ar >ar peers. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar I would argue that GW Micro tries hard to apply the principles I am > >ar >ar espousing with their screen reader. Are we at the stage where not > >ar >taker > >ar >ar for the blind manufacturers are more concerned about keeping up with > >ar >the > >ar >ar competition than they are in making sure their products do what they > >ar >are > >ar >ar supposed to do? Is that competition asking that each product do a > >ar >bunch of > >ar >ar things because other products do a bunch of things? Are we at the > >ar >stage > >ar >ar where we as consumers and access technology producers must work to > >ar >develop > >ar >ar a new paradigm to measure both the viability of products and what > >ar >ar consumers really need and want? > >ar >ar > >ar >ar Paul > >ar >ar > >ar >ar -----Original Message----- > >ar >ar From: Bryan Duarte [mailto:[email protected]] > >ar >ar Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:04 PM > >ar >ar To: [email protected] > >ar >ar Subject: RE: [GWN] FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT THE Sense products > >ar >ar > >ar >ar Raul, > >ar >ar I live in Phoenix Arizona. there are several things I have attempted > >ar >to > >ar >ar search for using my sense nav and the results returned to me were > >ar >either, > >ar >ar incorrect, could not be found, or gave directions that were > >ar >inaccurate. > >ar >ar now > >ar >ar if we are only talking about streets, cities, and states over all, > >ar >the > >ar >ar Sense > >ar >ar Nav is great. the streets in phoenix never change. what changes is > >ar >the > >ar >ar businesses, locations, and information. staying up to date with all > >ar >this > >ar >ar information when it is ever changing would be impossible if maps were > >ar >ar updated every year, but to let it go out three plus years would be > >ar >ar virtually > >ar >ar ridiculous to expect any kind of accurate information. let me > >ar >explain... I > >ar >ar searched for a restaurant that I knew was on a particular corner just > >ar >did > >ar >ar not know the phone number. I searched using the search by name, then > >ar >ar category, then by setting my virtual position to that corner and > >ar >doing a > >ar >ar look around. still no results were returned for the restaurant. after > >ar >I > >ar >ar thought about it the POI I was looking for was only there for about > >ar >two > >ar >ar years or so. as I looked for other businesses such as a local gym, > >ar >gas > >ar >ar station, and restaurant about half of the searches were not easily > >ar >found, > >ar >ar were not found, or the information given was not correct. the only > >ar >reason > >ar >ar I > >ar >ar do not use the sense nav currently is because at this point the maps > >ar >on > >ar >ar the > >ar >ar sense nav are to far behind for Phoenix and its metro areas ever > >ar >changing > >ar >ar and growing communities. I do not expect for a GPS SYSTEM FOR SIGHTED > >ar >OR > >ar >ar blind to be 100 percent accurate, but what I do expect is for a > >ar >product > >ar >ar such > >ar >ar as a GPS SYSTEM TO STAY AS CURRENT AS POSSIBLE. Sendero is a very big > >ar >name > >ar >ar in GPS FOR THE BLIND, THEY HAVE A GREAT SYSTEM, AND ALWAYS HAVE UP TO > >ar >DATE > >ar >ar maps for their devices. my only question is what has taken so long > >ar >for the > >ar >ar Sense nav? when the voice sense and the Braille sense came out the > >ar >talk > >ar >ar was > >ar >ar that these products were top of the line, were small, powerful, and > >ar >had > >ar >ar lots > >ar >ar of promises in store for the future. well three years later, there > >ar >are > >ar >ar little to no major upgrades on OS, THE Daisy player still has no > >ar >support > >ar >ar for > >ar >ar RFB AND D, NLS AUDIO BOOKS, AND STILL NO UPDATES FOR PROGRAMS RUNNING > >ar >ON > >ar >ar THE > >ar >ar voice sense. the Braille note is evolving every year and changing > >ar >with the > >ar >ar times while the sense products seem to be three years back. I guess > >ar >it is > >ar >ar just frustrating because I bought a voice sense because the size, > >ar >power, > >ar >ar and > >ar >ar possibilities. three years later I am starting to feel let down, and > >ar >that > >ar >ar maybe I made the wrong decision. > >ar >ar Raul I know you are very passionate about the products you have and I > >ar >know > >ar >ar you always try to help everyone with them, my only problem is that > >ar >all of > >ar >ar the sense users bought a device that they hoped was going to shine > >ar >when > >ar >ar they > >ar >ar bought it and continue to shine through the years to come. we are not > >ar >so > >ar >ar bright these days. please take these things I say as a frustrated > >ar >customer > >ar >ar who would like to voice their opinion somewhere that it might be > >ar >heard and > >ar >ar taken into consideration. this is in no way a direct slander towards > >ar >GW > >ar >ar Micro, Sendero, or Hims. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar Bryan Duarte Blind Ambitions > >ar >ar > >ar >ar > >ar >ar -----Original Message----- > >ar >ar From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:[email protected]] > >ar >ar Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:53 PM > >ar >ar To: [email protected] > >ar >ar Subject: [GWN] FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT THE Sense products > >ar >ar > >ar >ar Bryan, I'm curious, where you live, have the maps changed that much > >ar >from > >ar >ar 2007 to 2010 that it makes your current SenseNav unusable like you > >ar >say? > >ar >ar Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing what you say and I'm not trying > >ar >to > >ar >ar come off like what you say isn't important. However in testing the > >ar >2010 > >ar >ar maps and comparing them to the various cities I've traveled to or > >ar >ar checked out in virtual mode, not much has changed other than some > >ar >ar updated names for major roads. What has changed a lot is the POI > >ar >DATA. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar Regarding the SyncBraille, if it's out of warranty, with any hardware > >ar >ar product, a standard $45 analysis charge is always charged. So we are > >ar >not > >ar >ar singling you out here with it. Regarding the firmware, I have > >ar >personally > >ar >ar been pushing for new updates for a long time. Whether you believe me > >ar >or > >ar >ar not is up to you, but I think that anyone who knows me will believe > >ar >that > >ar >ar I feel strongly that the Sense notetakers are very good and they need > >ar >to > >ar >ar stay up-to-date. If I had the rights and resources, I would have > >ar >updated > >ar >ar them myself. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar Many thanks. > >ar >ar > >ar >ar On 5/13/2010 11:05 AM, Bryan Duarte wrote: > >ar >ar > I am with you on this issue sir. I bought a voice sense, sync > >ar >Braille, > >ar >ar > and the sense nave right when they were released. now I have had a > >ar >voice > >ar >ar > sense with no promised up grades, a sync Braille that no longer > >ar >works > >ar >ar > and to get it fixed they want to charge me 45 dollars a half hour > >ar >to > >ar >ar > diagnose the problem then parts and labor is separate, and a sense > >ar >nav > >ar >ar > that has maps from who knows how long ago with no information on > >ar >when > >ar >ar > and how much a new upgrade will cost. don't get me wrong I love my > >ar >voice > >ar >ar > sense and the sync Braille when it worked was great. the sense nav > >ar >was > >ar >ar > awesome when the map was accurate but now that times have moved on > >ar >and > >ar >ar > the technology has not things are looking down on the distributors > >ar >and > >ar >ar > manufacturers. to me making new products when the old products you > >ar >ar > currently have are not being maintained is a little backwards I > >ar >think. I > >ar >ar > use to use my voice sense a lot more when it was an all in one > >ar >device > >ar >ar > that was up to date on all systems. now that I have a firm ware > >ar >that > >ar >ar > could not even pretend to bat an eye at other note takers and a > >ar >sense > >ar >ar > nav that was awesome three years ago when it was somewhat accurate > >ar >as to > >ar >ar > what was around me, but now I have over 8 thousand dollars invested > >ar >into > >ar >ar > a refreshable Braille display that acts as a Braille paper weight, > >ar >and a > >ar >ar > GPS RECEIVER THAT TAKES UP SPACE IN MY TRAVEL BACK PACK JUST > >ar >WAITING TO > >ar >ar > come out and play some day in the future. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Bryan Duarte Blind Ambitions > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > ininF:* erik burggraaf [mailto:[email protected]] > >ar >ar > ininSent:* Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:36 AM > >ar >ar > ininTo:* [email protected] > >ar >ar > ininSubject:* Re: [GWN] Tip1 for the new Sense notetaker firmware > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Again, it's the licensing, not the software that is at issue. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > What I'm reading is that braille note and mobile geo can > >ar >physically > >ar >ar > share map data on properly licensed and compatible devices, but > >ar >ar > braille sense can't, which is a severe limitation. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Don't forget that all these devices are built on the same > >ar >ar > development kit, no matter what brand name you put on it. That > >ar >ar > doesn't make them all equal, but it at least holds out the > >ar >option to > >ar >ar > have them compatible. An option which, based on what people > >ar >are > >ar >ar > saying here, braille note and mobile geo offer, but sensenav > >ar >does > >ar >ar > n.. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Then we have the issue of the licensing for current maps. For > >ar >ar > example, I've just found out that 2010 maps are only licensed > >ar >to > >ar >ar > mobile geo 2. That of course is so that I and others like me > >ar >will > >ar >ar > have to by mspbled and mgeo2 to get a current map, which we > >ar >have the > >ar >ar > option to do. But if the 2010 map were licensed to sensenav, > >ar >then > >ar >ar > one way or the other sensenav could use it. Taking care of > >ar >this > >ar >ar > licensing shouldn't require a firmware upgrade, but if it did, > >ar >then > >ar >ar > it could be done by a patch without requiring an entire > >ar >firmware, > >ar >ar > since they did that very thing for the braille note. If a fee > >ar >had > >ar >ar > to be charged for upgrading maps, well, so be it. Everyone has > >ar >a > >ar >ar > right to make money at what they do. Users who aren't greatly > >ar >ar > effected by using old map data can buy a case of beer on the > >ar >ar > weekend, where-z hard core travellers who need consistent > >ar >accuracy > >ar >ar > could go without for a weekend or two and get the upgrade. In > >ar >fact, > >ar >ar > I'm reasonably sure that any one who forked out 6 grand for a > >ar >bsp, > >ar >ar > and $1600 for sensenav are not going to quibble at a $60-$80 > >ar >upgrade > >ar >ar > fee for the map data for their high priced kit. Even sighted > >ar >gps > >ar >ar > users incur that cost, although most commercial gps are farely > >ar >ar > disposable and so the cost is usually built into a whole new > >ar >unit > >ar >ar > and they don't realize they're paying for it. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > This doesn't seem like rocket science to me. Old map, > >ar >increasingly > >ar >ar > inaccurate, potential time, money and safety concern. Answer, > >ar >give > >ar >ar > the customer an option to pay for a new map when an update > >ar >becomes > >ar >ar > available. Then if you want to trundle around unfamiliar areas > >ar >with > >ar >ar > a three year old map on your $8000 gps, well you go on and > >ar >giver, > >ar >ar > but the rest of us can be getting on with the best possible > >ar >ar > information, especially when you're like me and you need it for > >ar >work > >ar >ar > or school. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > best, > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Erik Burggraaf > >ar >ar > Join me Wednesday, May 26th at CNIB Tech Aids fair in Toronto. > >ar >I'll > >ar >ar > be at the assistive computing booth from 2 to 4 in the > >ar >afternoon and > >ar >ar > circulating for the rest of the day. > >ar >ar > http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > >ar >ar > 888-255-5194 > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > On 2010-05-12, at 5:18 AM, Keith Bucher wrote: > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Erik, > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Sense Nav is a HIMS OR Gw Micro product not a Sendero > >ar >product. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Sendero licenses it to GW Micro and HIMS. If you use > >ar >Sense > >ar >ar > Nav, > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > as of right now, you are stuck with the 2007 maps. The > >ar >later > >ar >ar > maps > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > are just for the Braillenote products from Humanware. > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > Keith > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar >ar > > >ar >ar > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > >ar >ar > >ar >ar > >ar >ar -- > >ar >ar Raul A. Gallegos > >ar >ar GW Micro Technical Support And Product Specialist > >ar >ar Voice 260-489-3671, Fax 260-489-2608 > >ar >ar Web http://www.gwmicro.com > >ar >ar > >ar >ar If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar >ar > >ar >ar http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > >ar >ar > >ar >ar > >ar >ar If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar >ar > >ar >ar http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > >ar >ar > >ar >ar > >ar >ar If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar >ar > >ar >ar http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > >ar > > >ar > If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar > > >ar > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > >ar > > >ar > > >ar > >ar > >ar -- > >ar Have a great day, > >ar Alex (msg sent from GMail website) > >ar [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > >ar > >ar If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > >ar > >ar http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > > > > Ruthie > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > > > > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: > > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv Ruthie If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv
