Bert,
I was also told by Eric that we would not need to become members to ride and 
see when rides were taking place. However, by not being a member I have not 
been able to see any rides. I rely on friends inside the exclusive group to 
send forward me the rides and ride times. I understand that I would not receive 
any member benefits but why should I be excluded from rides because I do not 
want to pay to ride?
On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:05 PM, maria wrote:

> Hello Bert, 
> 
> Please extend my sincerest apologies to Tony. Any disruption I may have 
> caused Tony was not intentional. I did not realize our club evolved to being 
> exclusive in 2011.
> 
> Please ask Tony to consider sharing our passion for cycling and allow non 
> members to view the new forum or perhaps resurrect the old forum on a read 
> only basis. Sharing lets people find us and lets us grow in the 
> cycling/racing community.
> 
> Our membership director, Eric, replied in an email to me in November 2010 ... 
> "Gyros rides are NOT and will NOT be limited to just members" ... and so I 
> happily joined up! Doesn't the Gyro forum go hand in hand with our Gyro rides?
> 
> Maria
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Kyle Johnston <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> I usually try to not get involved in these debates and political issues but I 
> actually want to chime in on this one.  Tony, self appointed or not, is the 
> president of the North Raleigh Gyros.  He along with a handful of other 
> members organize, manage and keep the club and race team up and going.  They 
> privatized the club to an extent by collecting a small yearly dues of $10 but 
> the club is still open for any and all to join.  For someone from Greensboro 
> (I think that's where you're from Dave), there probably isn't a lot of value 
> in that $10 for you other than getting to hear about what is going on in the 
> Raleigh cycling community.  For everyone in the Triangle area, this seems 
> like a really small amount to pay to stay in touch with a great group of 
> riders.
> 
> With more than 125 members, a cycling team and for a club that seems to be 
> increasing their presence and contributions to the community, I see no 
> problem with the route the Gyros have taken.  There will always be some who 
> are left out or the path chosen does not please.  I feel badly for them but 
> no matter what route is chosen, there will be someone who is not happy.  
> Hopefully as the club continues to grow, we can find ways to get these left 
> out few back in to good grace with the club.
> 
> And not to sound like a jerk, that is not my intention... but if the Gyros 
> direction is not to anyone's liking, they are more than free to do as Tony 
> did years ago and start their own club with their own Google Group and have 
> their own member list to manage how they see fit.  I'm sure once you've been 
> around as long as Tony and the Gyros have, you'll see that more management, 
> club dues and structure are a necessary evil to keep the masses happy 
> sometimes at the expense of a few.
> 
> Cheers and safe riding,
> -kyle
> 
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:10:38 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Gyros: 17323] Message from Tony Please Read!!!!!
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> 
> 
> It's unfortunate for the club that they got forced in this direction.
> 
> There was absolutely nothing to be gained. You've split the cycling community 
> so a self-appointed president can have insurance, and waivers and a race 
> team. You've even managed to privatize or remove the "trek rides". Good job 
> with that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Duane Price <[email protected]> wrote:
> I live in Myrtle Beach, but while dating my wife, who lived in Raleigh, I did 
> a fair amount of riding with the Gyro's. I was always impressed by their 
> welcoming nature and good, well-organized rides. It seems things have 
> changed. Careful that you don't collapse under the weight of your own 
> self-importance. You may unsubscribe me.
> 
> On Mar 15, 2011 11:31 AM, "Dale Brown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > << The whole purpose of the “new” group was to keep this information amongst
> > members ONLY. >>
> > 
> > Interesting... I will delete this "[email protected]" address now with
> > some sadness. Enjoyed seeing what our friends in the Triangle area are
> > doing.
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> >> I am forwarding this message for Tony. He is unable to send to this old
> >> and unused email account.
> >>
> >> Bert
> >>
> >> Maria,
> >>
> >> Why are you sending this information to the “old” group? If that is what I
> >> wanted then I would have done that myself. The whole purpose of the “new”
> >> group was to keep this information amongst members ONLY. Please DO NOT post
> >> any other info to this “old” group. If anyone wants to know what the Gyros
> >> are doing, then all they need to do is to join the club.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
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> > 
> > 
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