On 2010-10-19 14:01, Jean Christophe André wrote:
Nguyen Hong Quang wrote:
I think that we did discuss this problem since the beginning of
HanoiLUG. I don't think that it's a good idea to add new mailings
lists for HanoiLUG.
In fact, adding new mailing-list doesn't change anything, except
giving more choices! ;-)
It's the rules I did propose, especially for this list to become
Vietnamese only, that could change something…
Let any HanoiLUG member explain their idea or make question in his
(her) prefered language (vietnamese or english) in an unified
malinglist. It's not good to dinstinguish an english-HanoiLUG member
to a (vietnamese-default) HanoiLUG one. I believe that JC has a good
intention, but I'm afraid that it incites to the separation, ...
It's somewhat funny to realise how people can't understand the fact
that the HanoiLUG subscribers have *always* been
isolated/distinguished/separated/whatever by their language abilities!
There are subscribers who *can't understand* Vietnamese language, but
are still interested in HanoiLUG's activities, and are “annoyed” by
the Vietnamese language traffic that they can't read anyway.
There are people, who *don't even want* to subscribe because there is
too much posts in Vietnamese language that they will just delete everyday.
And how about Vietnamese people who can't understand English and/or
French? Sure they should learn and understand both of them perfectly
but… I think you got the point! ;-)
For all these people, it's far better to get their own list and to
discuss out there. Everybody here is a HanoiLUG'ers, even when lacking
some language knowledge!
Now, to leverage the separation, which is not good of course, people
knowing multiple languages shall subscribe to all the corresponding
mailing-lists, to make the bridge between them by translating from one
to the others from time to time, when it seems important to share the
information broadly.
We will see that.
Yep. No pressure here. Let's just wait and see.
If it was a “not so good” idea, the language dedicated mailing-list
will just die by themselves. But this one would never die for sure.
Cheers, J.C.
I don't think there is a reason for too much worry. Vietnamese people
that are comfortable using one or many foreign languages will subscribe
to both/all mailing lists and so will foreigners comfortable using
Vietnamese do. Foreigners not reading Vietnamese or Vietnamese not
reading English or French would have nothing to loose. The losers might
be those Vietnamese that read English or French but are not comfortable
writing in it and therefore may opt out from an English or French
speaking mailing list. In that sense, "banning" English or French on the
Vietnamese list might be a set back for them as they would loose out
from both a topical discussion that they might have enjoyed as well as
an opportunity to further improve their languages skills. Another, but I
believe smaller, risk is if there is a "fork" in the foreign community
where "pillars" among the French speaking community disappears from the
English speaking list.
Cheers / Lars
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