On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:14:48AM +0800, Alexey Zilber wrote: > Please don't take our issues with the spam personally.
why shouldn't I when people come here and say "hey I'm getting many spam, please fix this" ? I'm not the one who generates these spam and people ask me to "simply" filter it, still the solutions they offer are either incompatible with my skills (I'm not going to develop filters nor scripts myself to handle emails) or the basic rules I want for this list (open, not subscribers only), or my available time (eg: moderate e-mails). So yes, these complains get me nervous when I know that these people are free to unsubscribe and read the archives or resubscribe when they need. > Everyone appreciates the list You're too optimistic IMHO. Like on every list, some people like to be there to maintain useless out of topic threads. > and the help it's provided, so keep in mind people are > just voicing their opinions (and most of us have strong opinions) regarding > spam. I too have my opinion regarding spam and I expressed it. I hate spam but it's part of todays internet, and I got used to even not see it. Just like I don't complain about dust in the air nor blame all the world for this. > Going over the previous threads, imho if you don't have Greylisting, > maybe that's the way to go? We used to have some, I have some old memories of disabling it because it caused some issues to some senders, I don't have all the details in mind. You know, we're only aware of trouble for senders when they send me the message which always looks like this : "hey, I tried to send this to the list but it doesn't show up, is there anything wrong with the list ?". And each time this happens, it's hours of troubleshooting, discovering nasty side effects of any filtering method for a very small minority of people, so we have to find another solution and that takes time. > While my opinion still stands that the only > real way to combat this spam is to make it a 'subscribe to post' list; if > you're using Greylisting, why not build it so that unsubscribed users have > a weighted value, so users who post a lot are automatically whitelisted > (before passing their email through spamassasin or other such spam scanner). Because 1) I don't know how to do that, and 2) that still means that non- subscribers suffer from a more aggressive filtering than subscribers which is not the purpose of this open list. Willy
