On 6/09/2014 9:09 AM, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 04:08:11PM -0400, Patrick Hemmer wrote: >> *From: *Cyril Bonté <cyril.bo...@free.fr> >> *Sent: * 2014-09-05 15:50:21 EDT >> *To: *Patrick Hemmer <hapr...@stormcloud9.net>, Willy Tarreau >> <w...@1wt.eu>, Ghislain <gad...@aqueos.com> >> *CC: *Mark Janssen <maniac...@gmail.com>, david rene comba lareu >> <shadow.of.sou...@gmail.com>, Colin Ingarfield <co...@ingarfield.com>, >> haproxy@formilux.org <haproxy@formilux.org> >> *Subject: *Re: Spam to this list? >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Le 05/09/2014 20:39, Patrick Hemmer a écrit : >>>> Obviously quite a few people care. >>>> This is your list, and I respect that, but your opinion seems to be the >>>> minority. >>> >>> Without facts, this is as true as if I argue that the majority doesn't >>> care that much but are more annoyed by the amount of mails containing >>> the subject "Spam to this list?". >>> >>> >> >> Ah, but your facts are in the discussion thread. I've seen very few >> people supporting the current state of things. > > Numbers here aren't on your side : > > # cat subscribers.d/*|wc -l > 830 > > 830 persons are currently subscribed to this list, 22 of which have posted > in this thread, with some not even sharing your opinion. So that's about 98% > which is hardly "very few" by my standards.
Oh come on..... Trying to say that because you don't have 400+ replies saying 'put spam filters on' that it doesn't matter is trivial is almost.... I don't even know the word for it.... > FWIW, I've noticed that there is actually *more* spam than what I do > receive, simply because my trivial procmail filters catch about half > of it. I'll see if I find a way to port them to postfix in order to > reduce this amount for everyone to the level I'm seeing on my side. I don't want to try and insult you here - but tools are around to take care of these problems - and have been done by people much smarter than you or I... The sad truth is that spammers exploit things like this list... The archives increase their google rankings for spam and make things harder for EVERYONE, not just this list. > Now please let me remind me something important : this list is provided > for free to make it easier for developers and users to exchange together. > It's managed on spare time, it's fast and free to subscribe just like it's > fast and free to unsubscribe. Some users do indeed subscribe, participate > to a thread then unsubscribe. There have been about 3 times more > subscriptions than current subscribers, many of which coming back from > time to time. So for people for whom this amount of spam is a terrible > experience, there are a lot of options. However when you're on the service > side of things, options to fight spam *always* come from extra burden dealing > with false positives. So the situation is clearly far from being perfect, but > it used to be reasonably well balanced for 7 years now. Only very recently > we started to get subscribed to several lists and probably the address has > better circulated to spammers resulting in an increase in the amount of spam. > But I certainly won't spend as much time dealing with anti-spam problems as > I already spent in this sterile thread. So you've lost at least half your subscriber base, and you can't see a problem with this? Sorry, but even including ALL posts in this thread over the past few days, the amount of spam STILL outnumbers the amount of content going through this list - something that is almost negligent in this day and age... So I guess what will it take before something happens? Someone to fork the list off to somewhere else and fragment your community? -- Steven Haigh Email: net...@crc.id.au Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897 Fax: (03) 8338 0299
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