Pshaw, Riva 128? Voodoo was totally the way to go! Actually, I'm not sure how the experience factor favors Nvidia--ATI has been designing video cards for longer than nvidia has even been around. I'm skeptical that experience is much of a factor over that timeframe.
I have used a x1900XT and a 8800GT in the last 5 years. I've suffered driver crashes under XP/Vista/Windows 7 with both. Don't really have a dog in this fight! Scott On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: > You're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. My first Nvidia card was a > Riva 128 which as you may remember was THE 1st 3D integrated video card ever > sold and I stand by my opinion. As I said, when Nvidia diversified into their > 1st chipsets they bled their video card driver efforts into other ventures. > Clearly you're pissed at the company and I understand. Their upper management > who CONTROL the software engineers are asshats for sure. They still have the > best talent in the industry IMHO because they clearly have the MOST > experience at it. > > > On 3/1/2010 10:58 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> That makes no sense.....you are blaming hardware designers and bean counters >> for poor programming. >> >> nVidias driver creators were ABYSMAL for 2 solid years and I have still >> seen nothing since the first properly working Vista driver that has made me >> go "wow, excellent work"......so 3 years + of creating barely stable drivers >> and you still want to argue they are the best driver engineers? 0_o >> >> I would sure like to see the evidence of your claim.....because from where I >> have been sat these last few years, I have seen something completely >> different! >> >> And that's only the purely technical POV.....all before we talk about the >> under-handed tactics they have done with disabling driver features when they >> detect there is an AMD card in the system also........ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske >> Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts >> and conclusions >> >> They are the best in the world and only fail when management and bean >> counters have them dilute their efforts with chipsets and other hardware >> that causes them to neglect their video card line which is their real >> bread and butter. Their latest serious dumb move was the same with their >> last video card line only much worse. They make the mistake of creating >> a behemoth of a chip die with the wrong process to support. 65 nm was >> too big for the last gen and 40 is too big for their current >> developement. And I wouldn't count on TSMC coming to their rescue with a >> die shrink like they did with 65nm->55nm last year. It will be quite >> some time until 28nm comes on line and that is what Nvidia needs for the >> rumored April 26 announcement. AMD/Ati will dominate video card sales >> this year because of that design decision from Nvidia. And I expect that >> with the improved business confidence of AMD's (and greatly improved >> cash flow) due to recent events they will do much to improve driver side. >> >> >> On 3/1/2010 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I wouldn't really call them the best driver engineers when it took them >>> until almost a year after Vistas release to make a driver that was >>> stable.....and they were working on it for a year prior to Vistas >>> release..... >>> >>> There is no best team, each one will have their moments over the years. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske >>> Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts >>> and conclusions >>> >>> Read what Brent Justice has to write. He's no past fan of AMD/Ati >>> drivers. http://bit.ly/9D6uJ4 >>> I'm having no problems whatsoever with 10.2 or any past drivers. Never >>> had any problems with Nvidia drivers either although they admittedly >>> have the best driver engineers for video cards in the world and always >>> have since Riva 128 days (had one myself back in the day). >>> >>> >>> On 2/26/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Do a full uninstall/cleaning of the anything ATI driver related, then >>>> install the oldest driver that will support your card. >>>> >>>> Assuming that works, backup and upgrade cautiously! >>>> >>>> Love my ATI 3870x2, would of just as happily done Nvidia had they made >>>> a dual gpu card and/or supported SLI on X48's, but ATI is having major >>>> driver issues this past year or so. Truth be told Both companies have >>>> totally fraked older generation chipsets by not maintaining driver >>>> support at all, even without new features though it still has not made >>>> their drivers any more stable IMHO. 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