Jason,
Few things on our List get my attention more than observations shared
from your side of the globe. Thank you for your perspective. It seems
that WE are not quite spherical yet............ :)
And, of course, WE do have lives to live!
Appreciate your views.
I am now so far away from 1st-class video hardware, I now have to pick
and choose my choices based on "unsaid" (personal/emotional) comments
that I just feel are appropriate.
I agree.
nVidia has been a bad puppy. May still even be!
ATI may be a bad puppy.
No harm, no foul!
It all reads like the late-90's discussions here. Just 10 years later
(older!).
Nice to know that wise eyes are still watching!
Best,
Duncan
On 03/01/2010 11:58, [email protected] wrote:
That makes no sense.....you are blaming hardware designers and bean
counters for poor programming.
nVidias driver creators were ABYSMAL for 2 solid years and I have
still seen nothing since the first properly working Vista driver that
has made me go "wow, excellent work"......so 3 years + of creating
barely stable drivers and you still want to argue they are the best
driver engineers? 0_o
I would sure like to see the evidence of your claim.....because from
where I have been sat these last few years, I have seen something
completely different!
And that's only the purely technical POV.....all before we talk about
the under-handed tactics they have done with disabling driver
features when they detect there is an AMD card in the system
also........
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske
Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re:
[H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and
conclusions
They are the best in the world and only fail when management and
bean counters have them dilute their efforts with chipsets and other
hardware that causes them to neglect their video card line which is
their real bread and butter. Their latest serious dumb move was the
same with their last video card line only much worse. They make the
mistake of creating a behemoth of a chip die with the wrong process
to support. 65 nm was too big for the last gen and 40 is too big for
their current developement. And I wouldn't count on TSMC coming to
their rescue with a die shrink like they did with 65nm->55nm last
year. It will be quite some time until 28nm comes on line and that is
what Nvidia needs for the rumored April 26 announcement. AMD/Ati will
dominate video card sales this year because of that design decision
from Nvidia. And I expect that with the improved business confidence
of AMD's (and greatly improved cash flow) due to recent events they
will do much to improve driver side.
On 3/1/2010 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I wouldn't really call them the best driver engineers when it took
them until almost a year after Vistas release to make a driver that
was stable.....and they were working on it for a year prior to
Vistas release.....
There is no best team, each one will have their moments over the
years.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan
Zaske Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52 To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final
Thoughts and conclusions
Read what Brent Justice has to write. He's no past fan of AMD/Ati
drivers. http://bit.ly/9D6uJ4 I'm having no problems whatsoever
with 10.2 or any past drivers. Never had any problems with Nvidia
drivers either although they admittedly have the best driver
engineers for video cards in the world and always have since Riva
128 days (had one myself back in the day).
On 2/26/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
Do a full uninstall/cleaning of the anything ATI driver related,
then install the oldest driver that will support your card.
Assuming that works, backup and upgrade cautiously!
Love my ATI 3870x2, would of just as happily done Nvidia had they
made a dual gpu card and/or supported SLI on X48's, but ATI is
having major driver issues this past year or so. Truth be told
Both companies have totally fraked older generation chipsets by
not maintaining driver support at all, even without new features
though it still has not made their drivers any more stable IMHO.
Currently both companies are on my personal shit list.
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