Wow that's amazing Omega. Let's get Valve to rip out the fucking engine, so us 1337 programmers can re-code it all for the sake of innovation.
Sven Co-op 3.0 is around the corner, and at this moment in time I *DON'T* have time to re-program a feature such as this. I wish I would have caught the problem sooner, but I didn't. Life's a bitch. Making random changes without proper *public* documentation is HARMFUL. I can only hope Valve realizes this from now on, or whoever is working on the Half-Life engine for Steam. At this moment in time my blood pressure is through the roof, release times are never fun for anyone, including the players. So if I sound like I'm being hostile, maybe it's because I am. -Sniper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony "omega" Sergi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > here's where we differ on the situation: > > I don't consider it a bad thing that the notify is gone. > > I consider it a [bold]good[/bold] thing. > > You wonder why i presume: > > Simple, It allows you to make something better, Break out of the mold; > make a proper system. > You don't rely on death icons? Fine, change the code that does the death > icons to print only text; and only the text that you'd normally show in > the notify area. What does this provide? a [bold(again)]better > system[/bold]. You're no longer limited to 4 messages at a time in one > spot, now you can break out of that mold and again, dare i say it, make > something thats better and easier to read. > > You also now have the advantage to make new join/quit messages. Which, > will set you apart from the norm, and what will it do? [bold(dare i bold > again)]make something you've done even better than before[/bold] > > amazing concept innovation is, even if it's small. > > Tip of the day: Don't be negative when something like this changes, look > at the positive aspects, and always strive to make something > [bold(whaddayaknow)better[/bold]. (this tip goes to all of you out there > who choose to harp on the negative aspects of change.) > > -omega > -- > Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com > FLF:Defiance - http://www.frontline2.com > Wavelength - http://www.thewavelength.net > > > > Sniper wrote: > > >Well, what if a certain modification didn't rely on death icons? > >That's true in my case, so being ignorant of the problem doesn't help > >anyone, smart ass. > > > >Now, this doesn't only apply to death messages. A few other things are gone > >as well, like the "player has joined the game." messages. > > > >A modification may also use the print notify function for other informative > >messages, and now those messages are gone. A feature present for years being > >removed in a new system like Steam can only ask for problems. > > > >This is very upsetting. > > > >-Sniper > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony "omega" Sergi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:32 PM > >Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > > > > > > > > > >>First off, for me; with developer 1 set, i always see _one_ entry at the > >>top of the screen in the notify area. > >>and death messages have always worked (you know, the icons that show x > >>killed y with whatever gun). > >>they don't rely on notify at all. sure the text message doesn't show up > >>on-screen, but why does it _need_ to show up onscreen when the icons are > >>there? i mean, seriously. > >> > >>-omega > >>-- > >>Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com > >>FLF:Defiance - http://www.frontline2.com > >>Wavelength - http://www.thewavelength.net > >> > >> > >> > >>Sniper wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>It matters because it works in WON, and works when developer 1 is enabled > >>> > >>> > >in > > > > > >>>Steam. > >>>TFC also apparently has lost its death messages in Steam. > >>> > >>>That doesn't help at all Omega, and printnotify does work just great. I > >>> > >>> > >see > > > > > >>>absolutely no reason why Valve felt like disabling it just for the hell > >>> > >>> > >of > > > > > >>>it if Developer 1 isn't set. > >>> > >>>It was also never documented publicly as being "removed" -- that is > >>>frustrating in itself. > >>> > >>>-Sniper > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Tony "omega" Sergi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:38 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>why does it matter? just make up your own drawing thing that works > >>>> > >>>> > >better. > > > > > >>>>thats what i ended up doing, provides a much better effect anyway, print > >>>>notify never worked properly anyway. > >>>> > >>>>-omega > >>>>-- > >>>>Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com > >>>>FLF:Defiance - http://www.frontline2.com > >>>>Wavelength - http://www.thewavelength.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Sniper wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Can I ask why it was removed? It's used in several Half-Life > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>modifications, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>it seems a bit unreasonable to remove it. > >>>>> > >>>>>-Sniper > >>>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:34 PM > >>>>>Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The print notify area has been removed from the HL engine. You will > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >need > > > > > >>>>>>to use one of the other print areas. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sniper > >>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:59 AM > >>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>Subject: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>>>>Sorry, ignore the last message. I hit the wrong key. Damn it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>case HUD_PRINTNOTIFY: > >>>>>>>psz[0] = 1; // mark this message to go into the notify buffer > >>>>>>>sprintf( psz+1, msg_text, sstr1, sstr2, sstr3, sstr4 ); > >>>>>>>ConsolePrint( ConvertCRtoNL( psz ) ); > >>>>>>>break; > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>This section of code is now useless. Unless developer 1 is > >>>>>>>set, Steam will no longer print the message in the upper left > >>>>>>>corner of the screen. Steam will only print the message into console. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I'm seriously annoyed. I hope this can get fixed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-Sniper > >>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>archives, please visit: > >>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>please visit: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>please visit: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>please visit: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >>> > >please visit: > > > > > >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > >> > >please visit: > > > > > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
